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congratulations YouTube you did it

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you wore me down and you sucked me back

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in I have too many subscribers here just

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to walk away entirely especially with no

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alternative that truly stacks up and so

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many copycat channels uploading my shows

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for me anyway but we can't forget the th

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C's account here is on thin ice

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and so the YouTube version of the show

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has to be prefaced with this little PSA

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only to say that episodes that contain

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the kinds of themes that have been

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regularly banned on YouTube will not

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appear here and even with that

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precaution there's already enough in the

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archive to get us removed so remember

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that the higher side chats could be

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banned or put in timeout again at any

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time and I won't be able to tell you

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guys about it so if you feel like it's

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been too long since you've heard from me

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here on this digital dystopian draconian

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data-mining monster of a police state

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seeking platform your first step should

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be to check the higher side shots calm

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for the latest shows alright alright

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enjoy happy July everybody you know I

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hate to waste your time with a news

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update but this is something I gotta

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tell you up front all this month to make

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sure everybody hears it and that is that

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on the 4th anniversary of the Plus

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system the start of August 2018 we are

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raising the cost of admission by a

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little bit to $8 a month I wrote at

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length about the whys and the what's in

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the house and the THC newsletter which

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we're gonna call the higher side Herald

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from now on and I'm gonna be much more

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consistent with it now that it's got a

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proper name but read that on Facebook or

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Twitter if you really want to get into

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the details but here's what you need to

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know if you're a current plus member you

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don't have to do anything if you want to

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stay onboard the commercial-free and

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action-packed two-hour ride we got going

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on here but the price will be going up

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in August

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if you've prepaid for 6 or 12 months in

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advance that time is covered you're

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already in but the next time the system

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needs to charge you whatever level

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you're at it will charge you at that new

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rate it's a change I've been torturing

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myself over for a while and the plus

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members you have given me some responses

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have all been really understanding and I

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can sigh the sweet sigh of relief but

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I'm sure we'll lose some people too and

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I'm prepared for that but please make

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sure you click on my account from the

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plus menu bar and cancel before August

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1st

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if you must the rest of you first our

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only folks have a little more time to

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get in on the ground floor as they say

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but even at eight dollars I think we're

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still an alright deal when you consider

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what else is out there I hate to do it

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but even Amazon Prime has raised the

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price on me twice in the last few years

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and I think they have a lot more members

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than me and I'm not asking for a key to

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your front door we're still gonna have

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five top notch monthly treks into this

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weird and conspiratorial world with the

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best guests in the business but I'm also

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gonna sweeten the pot with a monthly

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video session of good times and open

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lines where I will sit by the phone for

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you to your people and we're gonna call

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them joint sessions clever right so

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that's the news and THC land I know I

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know say it ain't so but as the guy who

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actually depends on this thing we got

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going here nobody's more anxious and

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nervous about a big change than I am

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so thanks for all the support and for

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not biting my head off too much now

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the planets popping masters on my shirt

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you have a plan it's clearly maybe

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something there beyond the realm of man

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till we've thoroughly tested every last

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close just did you find the more you

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we know the lying to us just don't know

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what to green where would we be without

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DC I said sure

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how's it going higher side chatters once

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again the offering on the THC table is

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another attempt to unravel the secrets

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of the ancient past understand the ways

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of indigenous peoples and decode the

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understanding of where we've been and

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how we got here yet the academic

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establishment is suspiciously content to

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uphold a thoroughly contradicted and

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outdated model of human history and our

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environment and whether they're

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fulfilling their roles as nefarious

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gatekeepers blinded by nationalism or

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research from the ground up we would be

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even more lost and if that wasn't enough

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world as well as lost civilizations of

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the past were burned so often by outside

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secret-keeping isolation and

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preservation structuring their own

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school hierarchy of learning that

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the symbols and the languages of peoples

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both past and present and it takes one

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hell of a code breaker to follow the

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bread crumbs fortunately for us to your

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people of the internet one hell of a

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Code Breaker is exactly who we have with

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us today back in the saddle for a second

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show is the great Laird Scranton an

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independent software engineer who turned

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cosmology and ancient language and has

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long-running book series that has become

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one of my favorites out there last time

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of Africa and his book the Velikovsky

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heresies and today we'll be poring over

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the big picture largely through the lens

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of his latest book decoding Maori

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cosmology the ancient origins

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New Zealand's indigenous culture peeling

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back the East e'terica onion a life

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and crack in the big code layered my man

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welcome back to the higher side hey Greg

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thank you very much that's really high

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I'm sure we'll get into it but it is

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fan and it's hard to keep up with your

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rapid-fire releases and as I understand

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seventh in a series looking at various

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historical approach to things this is a

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called comparative cosmology and what

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comparing how different cultures

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connections remained so the tradition

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critical skills of culture all appear in

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the same region in the same short period

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of time now from the perspective of some

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comparability between the Dogon and the

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Buddhist tradition so I tend to go with

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what they agree on so for me this begins

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in Turkey and then the tradition passes

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southeast from Turkey from the Fertile

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Crescent region into Palestine also into

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India and that passes down through a

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group called the Shakti cult which was a

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matriarchal cult that's so old nobody

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the Dogon philosophies of creation lying

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Buddhism all rest on the same set of

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philosophies that came out of that

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ancient Egypt around 10,000 BC from the

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Fertile Crescent region the way to

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understand that is if you subscribe to

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my friend Robert Bauval suggestion that

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the three large Pyramids at Giza reflect

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the Orion belt stars that would have

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been set in the sky above it in the era

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of 10000 BC the only way that could be

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true is if the alignments had been made

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10,000 BC otherwise we have to figure

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out how is it that some later culture

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connection to the tradition from Fertile

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Crescent ancient Egypt to 10,000 BC to

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set those alignments the Sphinx also

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looks at the constellation of Leo in

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that same era at 10,000 BC so we either

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have to conclude that those structures

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began to be constructed or at least the

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alignments laid down in the era of

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10,000 BC mm-hmm so now then sometime

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after 6,000 BC we see connections to the

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Fertile Crescent from northern Scotland

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there are sites that look for all the

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world like an instructional site on

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orkney island scotland with a megalithic

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tradition that was the starting point

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for all of the Stonehenge like

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structures we see in the UK and DNA

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testing confirms that we have maybe half

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a dozen different elements on Orkney

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Island at I back to the same region same

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era of the Fertile Crescent around 6000

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BC they can't track it across Europe so

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it looks like something made a jump by

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sea from Fertile Crescent region to

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Orkney island we even have a burial

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tradition that is a match for what the

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shocked Tikal does in India or did it in

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India hmm all of this becomes background

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for the Mauri cosmology another way we

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can trace it is through language even

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the Dogon African tribe language they're

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very careful about retaining original

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forms and so their language is

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unclassifiable because it's made up of

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subsets of other languages that they

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keep very strictly distinct and some of

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those words are Tomeo words and some of

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those words are Turkish words and you

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can almost track the path of

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transmission for the tradition based on

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those subsets of languages for the Dogon

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and Maori are very similar the Maori if

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I had just started with a Maori

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dictionary and nothing else

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I could have made connections to all

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these same eras just based on how the

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words are formulated Wow I mean that is

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a great overview and it seems quite

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complex of course but if we're gonna

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talk about the Maori a little bit more

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what could you tell people about their

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culture their ways for the ones who are

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maybe completely unfamiliar what stuck

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out to you well most of the traditions

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that I've written about are from the

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3000 BC era that's at the point where

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written language appears and so it's

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easy to frame interpretations when you

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have a written text that tells you what

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the culture itself thought about

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something you get much earlier than that

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it's harder the Mauri

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are a much later tradition they're

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understood to have arrived in New

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Zealand around 1100 AD which is

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thousands of years later so anybody

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who's ever played the game of telephone

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understands that things change over time

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and you can imagine how over thousands

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of years any tradition might have

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morphed a little bit we also have as a

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structural part of this cosmology they

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serve an archaic era and a more recent

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ancient era of this creation tradition

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I'm talking about

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and there are reversals and symbolism

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that happen midway through this

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tradition across many different cultures

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and your cultures that were not thought

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to have had any contact with each other

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suddenly patriarchy takes over

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matriarchy at about the same moment

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mm-hmm those kinds of reversals suddenly

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have figures like squares and circles

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that represented the concepts of the

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non-material and the material suddenly

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reverse themselves for no explainable

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reason you have all sorts of other

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symbolism that switches itself in the

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archaic tradition without person died

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part of the burial tradition was to open

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the top of the head ostensibly to allow

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the soul to ascend anybody who's studied

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yoga knows that enlightened energy that

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rises up to a person's the chakras of a

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person's body ultimately is said to

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emerge from the top of the head this is

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the same kind of a concept well

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sometime after 3000 BC that flips and

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instead of opening the top of the head

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to let the soul ascend in Egypt they

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wrap the body like a mummy and open the

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mouth to allow the soul to be reborn

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this is a reversal in symbolism we see

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other places you have goddesses like

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sati in India whose symbolism and the

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myths that go with her actions she

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performs things that are said about her

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are often things that are said about

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Osiris in Egypt who is a god same thing

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with the Mauryan new zealand is that you

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have names of gods the tie to goddesses

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in Prior eras and other cultures you

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have actions of those gods the tie to

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the actions of goddesses in Prior eras

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you even have a certain amount of

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confusion internally within the myths of

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New Zealand themselves you have a

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mythical character who's represented as

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being male but then there's an ancient

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myth that says he was offered as a bride

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to some other God mm-hmm so you have

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carryover of symbolism that implies that

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the earlier tradition saw these as

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female not male yeah it's so interesting

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and it's funny that you brought this up

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already because this is one of the

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paragraphs I had copied down and just to

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reiterate you say at around 3100 BC

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monarchies founded on functional systems

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of Agriculture began to appear in

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various regions of the globe

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these included the emergence of dynastic

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King ships in Egypt the appearance of

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the earliest Emperors of China and

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likely kingship in Ireland and Peru as

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well at about the same time distinct

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revisions or reversals occurred in the

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form of ancient cosmological symbols

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archaic matriarchal religious traditions

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came to be sir planted by patriarchal

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traditions just as you said creator gods

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such as rah and Amon in Egypt and Shiva

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and India came to take precedence over

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long revered mother goddesses these

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changes crossed cultural boundaries and

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so seemed to reflect the action of some

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regionally capable or perhaps even

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globally capable influence now I might

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be prone to grand conspiratorial

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thinking but if I didn't know better I'd

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say it sounded like you were painting

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the picture of something that sound

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like a global governmental or spiritual

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coup well it might be simpler than that

429
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there's another way to look at it

430
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there's a metaphor I use that tries to

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put it in context for a modern person to

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think about it the example I use is

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imagine that you are on a cross-country

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flight on an airplane and you start in

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New York City and you land in Los

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Angeles now the chances are when you get

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on that flight you may not know more

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than one or two other people on the

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flight you may not talk to anybody else

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on the flight but by the time you arrive

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at your destination everybody on the

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flight knows to change their watch hmm

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now this isn't because somebody ran

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around and handed them all a memo and

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said remember to change your watch when

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you get to the West Coast it's because

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everybody understands that that's the

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way time zones work and when you change

449
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time zones you have to change your watch

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and the same concept applies to this

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cosmology that there's a mindset that

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involves eras the same way that Yuga

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cycle involves distinct eras anybody who

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was instructed in this tradition would

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understand how these eras work and as

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you move forward in them there's certain

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requirements symbolism well in the Yuga

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cycle tradition you have a change in

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humanity's ability to perceive the

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non-material but for me what's really

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happening under the covers and it's

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complicated there's a whole book to try

463
00:19:04,370 --> 00:19:00,830
to explain how and why this works

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there's a physical change in materiality

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happening with our universe in the

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mindset of Sankhya which is the ancient

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philosophy that this all rests on

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universes form in pairs and there's a

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cycle of energy that Scrolls between

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those universes one universe is less

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material the other one is more material

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and the energy that Scrolls between the

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universes is a lot like think of it as

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sand in an hourglass you start out with

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all the sand in the top of the hourglass

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and by the time you're done all the sand

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is in the bottom of the hourglass hmm

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well that's the way it works with non

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materiality and materiality and these

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symbols have pertinence for what's

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material

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considered to be feminine so in the

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early eras when our universe was

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ostensibly less material we associated

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with the feminine which is matriarchy

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where the last material universe but as

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time goes on and energy shifts and we

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become progressively more and more and

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more material then half way through the

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cycle when you have equal amounts of

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sand in the top and the bottom of the

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hourglass from that point on it's the

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lower globe of the hourglass that's the

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more material globe now all the

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symbolism that formerly applied to the

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non-material

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has to apply to the material hmm and so

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a lot of the symbolism works that way it

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changes because there's a cycle that's

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changing fair enough well I like that

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analogy because that was gonna be kind

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00:20:40,100 --> 00:20:37,340
of my next comment if it wasn't some

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physical takeover and reversal of

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long-standing understandings then maybe

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it was like a thought form that spread

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across the surface or we moved into some

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kind of new energy that caused ideas to

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switch which is kind of on the same page

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as what you just said right but in a lot

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of cases there's a fairly simple answer

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that still falls in the context of these

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traditions and tenth my point of view

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has been that the biggest threat to my

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own research and my own interpretations

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is the propensity of the human mind to

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see patterns whether there's one there

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or not hmm and so to protect myself

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against my own wishful nostalgia I am

519
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studying States a thing I can't use it

520
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as an interpretation I can't say hey

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this looks like someone was putting

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together a Model T Ford simply because

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there are parts that look like that to

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me if a culture says yes by the way we

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were putting together a Model T Ford now

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I have something to work with mm-hmm

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well this is the way the dogon creation

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tradition works their priests flatly say

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that their symbols describe how matter

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00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:47,940
forms and my job as a researcher then

531
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becomes one of verifying whether the

532
00:21:54,890 --> 00:21:52,830
reasonableness of what they're saying I

533
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can take a look at their symbols and ask

534
00:21:58,690 --> 00:21:57,900
myself is there any way by any stretch

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00:22:01,490 --> 00:21:58,700
of the imagination

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00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:01,500
that this set of symbols could represent

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how matter forms as it turns out there

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00:22:08,930 --> 00:22:06,690
is not only by a stretch of the

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imagination with no stretch at all just

540
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by simple comparison you can see that

541
00:22:14,540 --> 00:22:12,840
what the Dogon are talking about is the

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same thing that Stephen Hawking talks

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00:22:19,340 --> 00:22:17,250
about in a brief history of time or that

544
00:22:23,420 --> 00:22:19,350
Brian Greene talks about in some of his

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00:22:25,070 --> 00:22:23,430
books popularizers of science hmm in

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many cases you could substitute the

547
00:22:28,340 --> 00:22:26,940
dogged description of a thing for

548
00:22:30,140 --> 00:22:28,350
Stephen Hawking's description and

549
00:22:32,750 --> 00:22:30,150
Stephen Hawking's book and he wouldn't

550
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:32,760
change the meaning of his chapter hmm

551
00:22:37,940 --> 00:22:35,850
but his understanding was that we were

552
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:37,950
in just a material universe and that if

553
00:22:40,940 --> 00:22:39,210
you can't see it it isn't real

554
00:22:43,550 --> 00:22:40,950
essentially I would think so it seems

555
00:22:47,660 --> 00:22:43,560
like he's leaving out a big other side

556
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:47,670
of the coin yes and unfortunately there

557
00:22:53,180 --> 00:22:49,770
are physicists who feel that that's true

558
00:22:55,460 --> 00:22:53,190
generally in astrophysics one of the

559
00:22:58,130 --> 00:22:55,470
books that I read relies on a theory of

560
00:23:00,380 --> 00:22:58,140
physics called the ether physics model

561
00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:00,390
yeah and the gentleman who developed

562
00:23:05,030 --> 00:23:03,120
that the reason he went about developing

563
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:05,040
it was precisely because he wasn't happy

564
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:06,210
with the answers he was getting from

565
00:23:13,370 --> 00:23:09,450
professors about basic questions he was

566
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:13,380
asking things like so if dimension is

567
00:23:18,110 --> 00:23:15,090
what allows us to measure things like

568
00:23:20,029 --> 00:23:18,120
length or height and width

569
00:23:21,529 --> 00:23:20,039
the dimensions themselves can't be

570
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:21,539
measured where do the dimensions exist

571
00:23:25,940 --> 00:23:23,730
where the dimensions come from and he

572
00:23:27,620 --> 00:23:25,950
would get sort of a half-baked answer as

573
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:27,630
to what that is I mean if time is a

574
00:23:32,210 --> 00:23:29,520
constant or life is a constant in the

575
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:32,220
universe where did that come from the

576
00:23:37,100 --> 00:23:33,840
implication is there's something outside

577
00:23:38,990 --> 00:23:37,110
of the universe where these things arise

578
00:23:40,990 --> 00:23:39,000
and we're seeing the effect of those

579
00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:41,000
things we're not seeing the thing itself

580
00:23:46,279 --> 00:23:44,640
mm-hmm so certain astrophysicists reach

581
00:23:47,990 --> 00:23:46,289
a point where they are looking for

582
00:23:50,029 --> 00:23:48,000
answers to fall outside of the domain of

583
00:23:52,850 --> 00:23:50,039
what we can actually see again another

584
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:52,860
example I give is if you were a student

585
00:23:56,630 --> 00:23:54,450
driver learning how to drive a car

586
00:23:59,480 --> 00:23:56,640
everybody who's learned how to drive has

587
00:24:03,830 --> 00:23:59,490
gone through this if nobody told you

588
00:24:06,260 --> 00:24:03,840
that the mirrors in the car hide a blind

589
00:24:07,700 --> 00:24:06,270
spot you know I go and I first started

590
00:24:09,169 --> 00:24:07,710
to drive I thought well anything I can

591
00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:09,179
see in my mirrors is what's going on

592
00:24:14,029 --> 00:24:11,360
around my car I didn't realize that

593
00:24:16,010 --> 00:24:14,039
there's a big enough blind spot to hide

594
00:24:18,590 --> 00:24:16,020
a tractor-trailer truck of its position

595
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:18,600
right mm-hmm you have to turn your head

596
00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:20,970
to see it well science is the same way

597
00:24:25,549 --> 00:24:22,799
when you compare what the scientific

598
00:24:28,220 --> 00:24:25,559
view is compared to the archaic view all

599
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:28,230
these things that are esoteric fall in a

600
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:30,720
blind spot for science we can even

601
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:32,730
demonstrate that that blind spot exists

602
00:24:38,930 --> 00:24:35,010
there's a certain class of particle of

603
00:24:40,580 --> 00:24:38,940
matter whose symmetry requires that for

604
00:24:43,220 --> 00:24:40,590
it to look the same we have to turn it

605
00:24:45,769 --> 00:24:43,230
around twice now imagine any object

606
00:24:47,539 --> 00:24:45,779
imagine a coffee cup say if you turn the

607
00:24:49,639 --> 00:24:47,549
coffee cup all the way around once you

608
00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:49,649
put it back in the orientation that was

609
00:24:53,180 --> 00:24:51,120
in originally it looks the same as it

610
00:24:55,159 --> 00:24:53,190
did originally well they're particles

611
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:55,169
here where that doesn't work you can't

612
00:25:00,080 --> 00:24:56,970
turn it around just once you have to

613
00:25:02,899 --> 00:25:00,090
turn it around twice and that is

614
00:25:04,580 --> 00:25:02,909
theoretically a pointer to what I refer

615
00:25:07,010 --> 00:25:04,590
to as a blind spot a domain that we

616
00:25:08,419 --> 00:25:07,020
don't see now even the scientists are

617
00:25:10,100 --> 00:25:08,429
saying hey there's so much dark matter

618
00:25:12,889 --> 00:25:10,110
out there it's more pervasive than

619
00:25:14,360 --> 00:25:12,899
regular matter but we can't see it there

620
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:14,370
are these indicators that there are

621
00:25:18,620 --> 00:25:15,690
things going on that we don't readily

622
00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:18,630
see and that's what the esoteric

623
00:25:23,299 --> 00:25:20,640
tradition is all about talking about

624
00:25:25,130 --> 00:25:23,309
those things that we can't see mm-hmm

625
00:25:28,010 --> 00:25:25,140
and that's something I love to explore

626
00:25:30,110 --> 00:25:28,020
is esoteric versus esoteric traditions

627
00:25:31,850 --> 00:25:30,120
because you often find that behind the

628
00:25:33,350 --> 00:25:31,860
curtain behind closed doors

629
00:25:35,060 --> 00:25:33,360
there's a totally different

630
00:25:37,159 --> 00:25:35,070
understanding than what they would have

631
00:25:39,620 --> 00:25:37,169
the masses believe I mean this is a

632
00:25:42,620 --> 00:25:39,630
historical thing it isn't necessarily

633
00:25:45,259 --> 00:25:42,630
that conspiratorial or related to just

634
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:45,269
our time period no that's true but the

635
00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:47,490
clearest picture that I've gotten about

636
00:25:52,100 --> 00:25:49,919
the kind of esoteric or archaic

637
00:25:55,130 --> 00:25:52,110
cosmology from your work is probably

638
00:25:57,049 --> 00:25:55,140
when you talk about the esoteric

639
00:25:59,690 --> 00:25:57,059
Buddhist traditions because I guess they

640
00:26:02,570 --> 00:25:59,700
say something like our universe is a set

641
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:02,580
of parallel dimensions maybe a set out

642
00:26:07,009 --> 00:26:05,490
of eight or seven kind of structured

643
00:26:07,580 --> 00:26:07,019
like a helix can you go into that a

644
00:26:10,909 --> 00:26:07,590
little bit

645
00:26:14,659 --> 00:26:10,919
yeah the mindset is that universes form

646
00:26:16,759 --> 00:26:14,669
in pairs not Material material and that

647
00:26:20,779 --> 00:26:16,769
ours is the fourth of seven pairs of

648
00:26:22,940 --> 00:26:20,789
universes now whether that's an absolute

649
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:22,950
number or whether that's the local

650
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:24,480
structure that they want to talk about

651
00:26:28,430 --> 00:26:26,610
isn't clear whether potentially could be

652
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:28,440
more than seven total but they're

653
00:26:33,169 --> 00:26:29,850
presenting things as if there are only

654
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:33,179
seven pairs of universes that function

655
00:26:37,129 --> 00:26:35,250
in pretty much the same way and they say

656
00:26:40,279 --> 00:26:37,139
there's a cycle of energy between the

657
00:26:43,340 --> 00:26:40,289
universes that is as essential to life

658
00:26:45,710 --> 00:26:43,350
in the universe as the natural water

659
00:26:47,930 --> 00:26:45,720
cycle is on earth the natural water

660
00:26:50,659 --> 00:26:47,940
cycle is the cycle by which water

661
00:26:52,370 --> 00:26:50,669
evaporates from bodies of water forms

662
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:52,380
clouds arise up over the mountains

663
00:26:56,509 --> 00:26:54,450
create rain that then flows back to the

664
00:26:58,490 --> 00:26:56,519
sea if we didn't have that cycle of

665
00:26:58,909 --> 00:26:58,500
water there wouldn't be any life on the

666
00:27:02,600 --> 00:26:58,919
planet

667
00:27:06,049 --> 00:27:02,610
the Dogon say that life is less a force

668
00:27:07,759 --> 00:27:06,059
than it is a movement of forces and the

669
00:27:09,740 --> 00:27:07,769
water cycle is a good example for what

670
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:09,750
they mean they say that there's a

671
00:27:13,879 --> 00:27:11,760
movement of energy between the non

672
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:13,889
material and material universe that

673
00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:15,690
serves that same function on the

674
00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:17,130
universal level that we wouldn't have

675
00:27:21,909 --> 00:27:20,370
life without this fluctuating cycle the

676
00:27:25,220 --> 00:27:21,919
dynamic of something called a dipole

677
00:27:27,409 --> 00:27:25,230
there are magnetic dipoles there could

678
00:27:30,379 --> 00:27:27,419
be gravitational dipoles there are

679
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:30,389
electrical dipoles these are centers of

680
00:27:34,879 --> 00:27:33,120
positive and negative energy that tend

681
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:34,889
to oscillate they come together and they

682
00:27:38,990 --> 00:27:36,330
move apart they come together and they

683
00:27:42,590 --> 00:27:39,000
move apart it's how a magnet works it's

684
00:27:44,690 --> 00:27:42,600
the force that's behind a magnet now

685
00:27:46,669 --> 00:27:44,700
the book before the mori book one that I

686
00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:46,679
released last October called seeking the

687
00:27:51,770 --> 00:27:48,809
primordial but as I was working on that

688
00:27:54,500 --> 00:27:51,780
book it seemed to me that the

689
00:27:57,020 --> 00:27:54,510
fundamental processes by which the

690
00:27:58,880 --> 00:27:57,030
universe is formed we're looking like

691
00:28:00,289 --> 00:27:58,890
they were completely understandable more

692
00:28:01,789 --> 00:28:00,299
and more understandable and I was

693
00:28:03,409 --> 00:28:01,799
puzzled by that I thought every

694
00:28:06,169 --> 00:28:03,419
religious tradition I've ever heard of

695
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:06,179
says that the fundamental processes of

696
00:28:10,820 --> 00:28:07,850
the universe are unknowable

697
00:28:12,890 --> 00:28:10,830
so how could I be arriving at a point

698
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:12,900
where these traditions made it look like

699
00:28:18,020 --> 00:28:16,010
they were completely knowable then I

700
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:18,030
stumbled on what you were talking about

701
00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:20,010
a little bit earlier between the public

702
00:28:24,590 --> 00:28:22,110
and private versions of these traditions

703
00:28:26,029 --> 00:28:24,600
there are things are represented in a

704
00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:26,039
slightly different way the way the

705
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:29,039
priests explain it is they fib about

706
00:28:34,190 --> 00:28:30,960
certain things they tell little lies an

707
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:34,200
easy example for the Dogon is they say

708
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:36,960
publicly that they celebrate their

709
00:28:44,289 --> 00:28:39,570
greatest holiday the celebration of the

710
00:28:46,820 --> 00:28:44,299
stars of Sirius every 60 years but the

711
00:28:49,029 --> 00:28:46,830
anthropologists say that in fact what

712
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:49,039
happens is after 50 years have passed

713
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:52,530
the Dogon priests find a reason to make

714
00:28:57,500 --> 00:28:54,480
an exception this time and celebrated

715
00:29:00,169 --> 00:28:57,510
after 50 years not after 60 and what

716
00:29:02,180 --> 00:29:00,179
they're disguising is the orbital period

717
00:29:04,909 --> 00:29:02,190
of the two stars this cycle is based on

718
00:29:07,370 --> 00:29:04,919
the orbital period of those stars and so

719
00:29:08,810 --> 00:29:07,380
they tell this little fib and there

720
00:29:10,399 --> 00:29:08,820
aren't very many of their tribes people

721
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:10,409
who live long enough they'd have to have

722
00:29:15,380 --> 00:29:12,960
lived to see 250 years cycles before

723
00:29:18,140 --> 00:29:15,390
they'd realize or get a sense that the

724
00:29:19,610 --> 00:29:18,150
priests were lying to them another one

725
00:29:21,500 --> 00:29:19,620
of those little fibs that come out of

726
00:29:24,740 --> 00:29:21,510
the as representative in the public and

727
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:24,750
private Buddhist tradition is publicly

728
00:29:29,899 --> 00:29:27,090
they say that the processes of creation

729
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:29,909
are fundamentally unknowable these are

730
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:32,880
things that are so complicated and so

731
00:29:37,250 --> 00:29:35,730
beyond human conception that you would

732
00:29:40,610 --> 00:29:37,260
never be able to get to the bottom of it

733
00:29:43,279 --> 00:29:40,620
you go to esoteric Buddhism the private

734
00:29:44,990 --> 00:29:43,289
Buddhism and they say well yes that's

735
00:29:47,870 --> 00:29:45,000
one of those things we lied about in

736
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:47,880
fact there's a handful of dynamics here

737
00:29:52,820 --> 00:29:50,010
that are really perfectly knowable and

738
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:52,830
the same set of dynamics play out in

739
00:29:56,010 --> 00:29:55,770
parallel on all upward scales even when

740
00:29:58,560 --> 00:29:56,020
you

741
00:30:01,170 --> 00:29:58,570
ten how the dynamics work even things

742
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:01,180
like quantum weirdness you know what

743
00:30:04,350 --> 00:30:02,890
looks like the very weird behavior of

744
00:30:07,470 --> 00:30:04,360
matter where you go from wave door

745
00:30:09,030 --> 00:30:07,480
particle even that completely evaporates

746
00:30:11,460 --> 00:30:09,040
it's not a concern anymore you can

747
00:30:14,340 --> 00:30:11,470
understand why things work that way even

748
00:30:17,670 --> 00:30:14,350
such things as entanglement of particles

749
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:17,680
that they can use crystals and lasers to

750
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:20,320
induce two or more electrons to become

751
00:30:25,230 --> 00:30:22,210
entangled with each other and when they

752
00:30:27,030 --> 00:30:25,240
do that then it doesn't matter how far

753
00:30:30,090 --> 00:30:27,040
discs that they move those electrons

754
00:30:32,970 --> 00:30:30,100
from each other if they change a quantum

755
00:30:34,620 --> 00:30:32,980
property of one of the electrons there's

756
00:30:36,780 --> 00:30:34,630
an opposite effect with the other

757
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:36,790
electron no matter how far distance

758
00:30:41,490 --> 00:30:39,370
there it's instantaneous as if the two

759
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:41,500
were one particle not two separate

760
00:30:47,700 --> 00:30:45,520
particles and even those kinds of weird

761
00:30:49,830 --> 00:30:47,710
effects evaporate when you look at

762
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:49,840
things in the way the ancient traditions

763
00:30:55,950 --> 00:30:52,570
look at them oh yeah and I even think it

764
00:30:58,500 --> 00:30:55,960
goes a good way into explaining a lot of

765
00:31:00,630 --> 00:30:58,510
the weirder paranormal type stuff that

766
00:31:02,730 --> 00:31:00,640
we talked about on shows like this yeah

767
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:02,740
I think so too I didn't it opens the

768
00:31:07,250 --> 00:31:05,530
door to having a scientific quality of

769
00:31:10,140 --> 00:31:07,260
understanding of why those things happen

770
00:31:12,450 --> 00:31:10,150
mm-hmm I say that the first thing that a

771
00:31:14,490 --> 00:31:12,460
person in my line of work learns is that

772
00:31:17,550 --> 00:31:14,500
there are things going on that we can't

773
00:31:19,620 --> 00:31:17,560
explain yet but that's really all that's

774
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:19,630
happening is these are things we can't

775
00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:23,200
explain that not that they are so woowoo

776
00:31:28,260 --> 00:31:25,360
or so far outside the field of science

777
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:28,270
that there isn't an explanation mm-hmm

778
00:31:31,290 --> 00:31:30,130
now let me ask you a weird question

779
00:31:33,390 --> 00:31:31,300
because I got thinking about the

780
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:33,400
universe as this helix of pairs of

781
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:35,530
dimensions and we talk all the time

782
00:31:39,030 --> 00:31:37,090
about the idea of a spirit world

783
00:31:41,010 --> 00:31:39,040
dimension that's sort of paired and

784
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:41,020
overlaid with this physical dimension

785
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:42,880
and they occasionally bleed into each

786
00:31:46,410 --> 00:31:45,970
other well I'm curious what else is out

787
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:46,420
there

788
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:51,930
description or anything that alludes to

789
00:31:58,980 --> 00:31:54,880
connecting up or down the helix rather

790
00:32:00,180 --> 00:31:58,990
than just within the pairings no I don't

791
00:32:02,700 --> 00:32:00,190
have any mention of anything like that

792
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:02,710
in any of the traditions I study but

793
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:04,530
what I do have

794
00:32:09,290 --> 00:32:07,200
is direct representation of the

795
00:32:11,090 --> 00:32:09,300
possibility of being able to move from

796
00:32:14,180 --> 00:32:11,100
the non-dimensional side the less

797
00:32:17,150 --> 00:32:14,190
material side to the more material side

798
00:32:18,500 --> 00:32:17,160
mm-hmm and it's not subtle references

799
00:32:21,710 --> 00:32:18,510
it's right out there in your face

800
00:32:23,330 --> 00:32:21,720
references if you think of I don't know

801
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:23,340
if you're familiar with the Yuga cycle

802
00:32:27,620 --> 00:32:24,720
yeah okay

803
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:27,630
the Yuga cycle is around a twenty five

804
00:32:33,530 --> 00:32:29,760
thousand year cycle depending on what

805
00:32:36,410 --> 00:32:33,540
source you consult and so if you divide

806
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:36,420
into two twelve thousand year cycles you

807
00:32:41,050 --> 00:32:39,090
have what's called a descending cycle on

808
00:32:43,700 --> 00:32:41,060
one side think of a big circle a

809
00:32:46,490 --> 00:32:43,710
descending side like a wheel turning a

810
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:46,500
bicycle wheel one side moves down on the

811
00:32:52,700 --> 00:32:49,050
other side of the wheel moves up that's

812
00:32:55,130 --> 00:32:52,710
happening with this cycle also now the

813
00:32:58,130 --> 00:32:55,140
side that's descending is becoming more

814
00:33:02,659 --> 00:32:58,140
massive and the side that's a sending is

815
00:33:07,399 --> 00:33:05,180
Stein says that when you increase the

816
00:33:09,830 --> 00:33:07,409
mass of something you slow down its

817
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:09,840
timeframe that's how light is able to

818
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:12,090
maintain a constant speed because speed

819
00:33:16,879 --> 00:33:14,159
is just the distance you travel by the

820
00:33:20,029 --> 00:33:16,889
time it takes you to travel it ok mass

821
00:33:21,859 --> 00:33:20,039
and acceleration are equivalent so if

822
00:33:24,169 --> 00:33:21,869
you're driving in a car alongside a

823
00:33:26,690 --> 00:33:24,179
train and you accelerate you would

824
00:33:28,669 --> 00:33:26,700
expect to catch up with the Train you

825
00:33:30,889 --> 00:33:28,679
can't do that with light no matter how

826
00:33:32,779 --> 00:33:30,899
fast you go light always is moving the

827
00:33:35,090 --> 00:33:32,789
same speed ahead of you and the only way

828
00:33:39,710 --> 00:33:35,100
that can be true is if time frame slows

829
00:33:41,930 --> 00:33:39,720
down as you speed up hmm so not only do

830
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:41,940
we have mass shifting between these two

831
00:33:48,109 --> 00:33:44,850
universes we also have a change in time

832
00:33:50,930 --> 00:33:48,119
frame in the last material universe time

833
00:33:53,710 --> 00:33:50,940
is quickly and on the material universe

834
00:33:56,299 --> 00:33:53,720
time is slowing down you hear about

835
00:33:58,220 --> 00:33:56,309
astronomers using their telescopes to

836
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:58,230
look way out in the galaxies that form

837
00:34:01,580 --> 00:34:00,480
shortly after the Big Bang and they take

838
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:01,590
their measurements they do their

839
00:34:07,700 --> 00:34:04,320
calculations and they say hey it looks

840
00:34:09,919 --> 00:34:07,710
as if the speed at which the universe is

841
00:34:11,839 --> 00:34:09,929
expanding is speeding up the rate at

842
00:34:13,730 --> 00:34:11,849
which is expanding is speeding up they

843
00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:13,740
can't figure out how could that be how

844
00:34:19,339 --> 00:34:15,569
can the rate of expansion be speeding up

845
00:34:20,750 --> 00:34:19,349
if you had one explosive event the worst

846
00:34:23,780 --> 00:34:20,760
that should happen is it should slow

847
00:34:26,059 --> 00:34:23,790
down not speed up mm-hmm well what

848
00:34:28,369 --> 00:34:26,069
they're seeing isn't the universe being

849
00:34:31,549 --> 00:34:28,379
up they're seeing the effect of their

850
00:34:33,799 --> 00:34:31,559
own time frame slowing down mm-hmm

851
00:34:36,020 --> 00:34:33,809
and so what looked like it was at one

852
00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:36,030
speed earlier now looks like it's at a

853
00:34:40,250 --> 00:34:38,730
different rate so the essential

854
00:34:42,260 --> 00:34:40,260
difference between these two universes

855
00:34:43,700 --> 00:34:42,270
really rests with their time frame and

856
00:34:45,710 --> 00:34:43,710
if you think of time frame as being like

857
00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:45,720
water pressure or like any kind of

858
00:34:50,569 --> 00:34:48,089
pressure if you go into a space capsule

859
00:34:52,220 --> 00:34:50,579
and out of space there's an extreme

860
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:52,230
difference in pressure between inside

861
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:54,690
the capsule and outside and the only way

862
00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:57,210
you can move from inside to outside is

863
00:35:02,210 --> 00:35:00,480
with an air lock and the air lock lets

864
00:35:04,460 --> 00:35:02,220
you step into a space where you equalize

865
00:35:06,380 --> 00:35:04,470
the pressure with the outside and now

866
00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:06,390
you can safely step out into it not be

867
00:35:11,780 --> 00:35:09,359
exploded out into it hmm

868
00:35:14,059 --> 00:35:11,790
time frame works the same way the

869
00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:14,069
essential difference that is being

870
00:35:16,430 --> 00:35:16,079
represented between these two universes

871
00:35:17,780 --> 00:35:16,440
is

872
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:17,790
difference in time prema when that

873
00:35:21,859 --> 00:35:19,200
difference becomes too great the

874
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:21,869
material side can't see the non material

875
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:25,050
side same way that we're told that fish

876
00:35:28,940 --> 00:35:26,970
can't see us when they look out of an

877
00:35:31,370 --> 00:35:28,950
aquarium that they're in we can see the

878
00:35:32,780 --> 00:35:31,380
end but they can't see out there's the

879
00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:32,790
same effect going on that's what the

880
00:35:38,210 --> 00:35:35,730
Dogon masks are about is conveying the

881
00:35:41,569 --> 00:35:38,220
concept that someone can see us but we

882
00:35:43,250 --> 00:35:41,579
can't see them Trippi and you know you

883
00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:43,260
mentioned coming together and moving

884
00:35:45,980 --> 00:35:44,880
apart and I guess this is exactly what

885
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:45,990
you're talking about I hadn't really

886
00:35:50,930 --> 00:35:48,690
considered it in the framework of time

887
00:35:53,390 --> 00:35:50,940
or that time is the mechanism in which

888
00:35:56,170 --> 00:35:53,400
we get out of whack with our paired

889
00:35:59,150 --> 00:35:56,180
dimension but that's really fascinating

890
00:36:02,510 --> 00:35:59,160
simple timeframe may also be the basis

891
00:36:05,059 --> 00:36:02,520
of gravity differences in time frame you

892
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:05,069
know that if you go take a buoyant

893
00:36:08,780 --> 00:36:06,960
object to the bottom of a swimming pool

894
00:36:12,130 --> 00:36:08,790
and let go of it it's gonna float to the

895
00:36:15,230 --> 00:36:12,140
area of least water pressure mm-hmm

896
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:15,240
similarly things float to the area of

897
00:36:20,540 --> 00:36:18,000
slowest timeframe and so the more mass

898
00:36:22,490 --> 00:36:20,550
of a body you have the slower its

899
00:36:24,620 --> 00:36:22,500
timeframe is and the difference in time

900
00:36:26,780 --> 00:36:24,630
frame causes orbits it causes them to

901
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:26,790
turn because one side of the object is

902
00:36:30,319 --> 00:36:28,530
moving slightly slower than the other

903
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:30,329
side of the object is and some turns

904
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:32,400
they can measure differences in time

905
00:36:38,450 --> 00:36:33,839
frame between your feet in your hands

906
00:36:40,790 --> 00:36:38,460
when you stand on floor huh and so my

907
00:36:43,099 --> 00:36:40,800
perspective is is that gravity is very

908
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:43,109
much like what a pressure only you're

909
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:44,400
dealing with time frame not with

910
00:36:50,900 --> 00:36:48,720
pressure Wow and you know this just is

911
00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:50,910
not some where I plan to go and I know

912
00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:53,760
your expertise is not necessarily in

913
00:36:57,859 --> 00:36:56,250
like anti-gravity crafts or

914
00:37:00,589 --> 00:36:57,869
electrogravitic crest but there's been

915
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:00,599
plenty of real people who seem to have

916
00:37:04,730 --> 00:37:01,890
discovered this kind of stuff like

917
00:37:08,059 --> 00:37:04,740
Thomas Townsend Brown and potentially

918
00:37:10,670 --> 00:37:08,069
elements of the Nazi Party but I guess I

919
00:37:13,819 --> 00:37:10,680
would wonder how this would come into

920
00:37:16,819 --> 00:37:13,829
play with that type of craft I mean

921
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:16,829
sometimes people lump in time with those

922
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:19,170
things or time-travel with those types

923
00:37:24,089 --> 00:37:22,170
of experiences but I guess it's very

924
00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:24,099
related it

925
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:26,079
now if you imagine that the essential

926
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:28,930
difference is timeframe during this Yuga

927
00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:30,970
cycle as one sized descending in the

928
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:33,609
other side's ascending if you think of

929
00:37:41,069 --> 00:37:36,730
that as a great year which is how it's

930
00:37:43,230 --> 00:37:41,079
described in the traditions in India the

931
00:37:46,289 --> 00:37:43,240
point at which those timeframes equalize

932
00:37:50,039 --> 00:37:46,299
is the equinoxes of the year hmm

933
00:37:51,779 --> 00:37:50,049
now this is why so many important

934
00:37:55,019 --> 00:37:51,789
holidays fall at the equinox the

935
00:37:57,660 --> 00:37:55,029
Buddhists say that this esoteric

936
00:37:59,970 --> 00:37:57,670
tradition was an instructed tradition

937
00:38:02,819 --> 00:37:59,980
that was given to them by a nonhuman

938
00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:02,829
source the Dogon go farther they say not

939
00:38:08,130 --> 00:38:04,480
only it was a nonhuman that was also

940
00:38:10,049 --> 00:38:08,140
originally non material right well if

941
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:10,059
you imagine these timeframes shifting

942
00:38:13,980 --> 00:38:11,920
then it reaches a point at the center

943
00:38:16,349 --> 00:38:13,990
when you have as much sand on both sides

944
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:16,359
of the hourglass where the pressure on

945
00:38:20,549 --> 00:38:18,160
both sides is the same the time frame is

946
00:38:22,829 --> 00:38:20,559
the same and at that point it becomes

947
00:38:24,359 --> 00:38:22,839
theoretically possible to move from one

948
00:38:25,980 --> 00:38:24,369
to the other like you move out of an

949
00:38:29,940 --> 00:38:25,990
airlock into outer space or out of an

950
00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:29,950
airlock into a submarine hmm to support

951
00:38:36,420 --> 00:38:33,730
that idea the Egyptian word for Equinox

952
00:38:39,299 --> 00:38:36,430
was Kepler Kepler was the name of the

953
00:38:41,549 --> 00:38:39,309
dung beetle who represented the concept

954
00:38:45,509 --> 00:38:41,559
of non-existence coming into existence

955
00:38:50,980 --> 00:38:45,519
in Judaism one of the holidays at the

956
00:38:53,020 --> 00:38:50,990
equinox is Yom Kippur or Yom Kippur

957
00:38:55,470 --> 00:38:53,030
at the other equinoxes and Judy's and

958
00:38:58,930 --> 00:38:55,480
they celebrate a holiday called Passover

959
00:39:03,190 --> 00:38:58,940
now a traditional Passover Seder ends

960
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:03,200
with the opening of a door to allow and

961
00:39:09,010 --> 00:39:05,570
imagine non-material somebody named

962
00:39:11,079 --> 00:39:09,020
Eliyahu tenter so they're physically

963
00:39:13,900 --> 00:39:11,089
acting out the thing I'm saying that the

964
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:13,910
ancient traditions say happens yeah that

965
00:39:17,710 --> 00:39:14,960
is so fascinating

966
00:39:19,780 --> 00:39:17,720
and so if we try to put ourselves in

967
00:39:22,150 --> 00:39:19,790
this cycle of course a lot of people are

968
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:22,160
talking about that 12,000 years ago

969
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:26,210
Younger Dryas many Ice Age era where are

970
00:39:31,390 --> 00:39:28,730
we how do we orient ourselves in the

971
00:39:33,130 --> 00:39:31,400
Yuga cycle are we on the ramp up well

972
00:39:36,099 --> 00:39:33,140
the traditional view is there were about

973
00:39:39,089 --> 00:39:36,109
twelve hundred years up the ascending

974
00:39:42,420 --> 00:39:39,099
side that we passed the lowest point and

975
00:39:45,550 --> 00:39:42,430
that we're now on the way back up but

976
00:39:49,300 --> 00:39:45,560
many many different references that I've

977
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:49,310
been coming across many different

978
00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:50,450
effects that have been happening

979
00:39:56,670 --> 00:39:54,800
recently imply to me that we are just

980
00:40:00,220 --> 00:39:56,680
now past the lowest point of the cycle

981
00:40:01,780 --> 00:40:00,230
hmm and that means 12,000 years ago we

982
00:40:04,780 --> 00:40:01,790
would have been just past the high point

983
00:40:06,910 --> 00:40:04,790
of the cycle interesting well it

984
00:40:08,890 --> 00:40:06,920
definitely seems like we're at some kind

985
00:40:11,140 --> 00:40:08,900
of pivotal point maybe that's just the

986
00:40:13,900 --> 00:40:11,150
nature of existence that you always kind

987
00:40:15,700 --> 00:40:13,910
of think you're self-important but it

988
00:40:17,740 --> 00:40:15,710
seems like whether you want to call it

989
00:40:21,370 --> 00:40:17,750
novelty like Terence Mckenna might have

990
00:40:23,470 --> 00:40:21,380
or just the spectrum of change and

991
00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:23,480
heightened emotions it seems like this

992
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:25,730
is a period where something energetic is

993
00:40:31,780 --> 00:40:29,930
going on yes and from a cosmology point

994
00:40:34,990 --> 00:40:31,790
of view ancient cosmology point of view

995
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:35,000
we're in the midst of major energetic

996
00:40:39,130 --> 00:40:37,609
reversals we're at the point where there

997
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:39,140
are two reversals that happen in this

998
00:40:43,060 --> 00:40:41,570
dynamic of the dipole there's one where

999
00:40:45,550 --> 00:40:43,070
the energies come together and then

1000
00:40:47,770 --> 00:40:45,560
start to move apart and there's another

1001
00:40:50,980 --> 00:40:47,780
one where the energies are apart and

1002
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:50,990
start to move together now in the

1003
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:54,010
descriptions that are given in India

1004
00:41:00,310 --> 00:40:58,130
they talk about two circumstances that

1005
00:41:01,839 --> 00:41:00,320
happen with energy they actually explain

1006
00:41:03,099 --> 00:41:01,849
it in terms of consciousness one is

1007
00:41:04,839 --> 00:41:03,109
where

1008
00:41:07,210 --> 00:41:04,849
consciousness becomes aware of itself

1009
00:41:08,410 --> 00:41:07,220
that's where the two energies are one

1010
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:08,420
thing and they'd suddenly start to

1011
00:41:14,380 --> 00:41:11,890
become to the other circumstances when

1012
00:41:17,109 --> 00:41:14,390
one energy is attracted to another

1013
00:41:18,999 --> 00:41:17,119
energy one consciousness attracted to

1014
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:19,009
another consciousness and that's the

1015
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:21,170
other extreme of the dipole where the

1016
00:41:24,910 --> 00:41:22,730
two separated energies are coming back

1017
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:24,920
together again and that oscillation goes

1018
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:27,650
on and on and on back and forth without

1019
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:29,450
any indication of how many times it

1020
00:41:34,930 --> 00:41:31,609
might have happened I have friends who

1021
00:41:37,479 --> 00:41:34,940
are more spiritually connected than I am

1022
00:41:40,839 --> 00:41:37,489
a more connected non-material than I am

1023
00:41:42,460 --> 00:41:40,849
who say that besides that simple dynamic

1024
00:41:45,339 --> 00:41:42,470
of the energy coming together moving

1025
00:41:47,650 --> 00:41:45,349
apart these universes actually progress

1026
00:41:49,989 --> 00:41:47,660
over time it's not that all seven pairs

1027
00:41:52,420 --> 00:41:49,999
of universe exist at once just as

1028
00:41:55,299 --> 00:41:52,430
certain traditions talk about the

1029
00:41:57,309 --> 00:41:55,309
beginning of a new age that these pairs

1030
00:42:00,249 --> 00:41:57,319
of universes work the same way and that

1031
00:42:02,460 --> 00:42:00,259
the reversal of energy is facilitating

1032
00:42:06,970 --> 00:42:02,470
the movement to the next stage of it

1033
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:06,980
mm-hmm Wow man so you're blowing my mind

1034
00:42:12,489 --> 00:42:10,640
but if our pair is one realm of say

1035
00:42:15,249 --> 00:42:12,499
perfect knowledge and the inability to

1036
00:42:17,019 --> 00:42:15,259
act and one of imperfect knowledge and

1037
00:42:18,999 --> 00:42:17,029
the full ability to act is I've heard

1038
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:19,009
you express it I feel like that's just a

1039
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:21,170
really succinct way to say it when these

1040
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:22,640
cultures say they got their knowledge

1041
00:42:26,380 --> 00:42:24,890
from a non human or non material source

1042
00:42:28,779 --> 00:42:26,390
this is probably what they mean and that

1043
00:42:30,819 --> 00:42:28,789
brings me back to gobekli tepe because

1044
00:42:33,069 --> 00:42:30,829
in this latest book you write that the

1045
00:42:35,319 --> 00:42:33,079
egyptians had a name for the region

1046
00:42:40,089 --> 00:42:35,329
where gobekli tepe is and it could be

1047
00:42:42,789 --> 00:42:40,099
translated as pet pet kaya or temple of

1048
00:42:44,859 --> 00:42:42,799
space embracing light and you suggest

1049
00:42:47,979 --> 00:42:44,869
that it was a sanctuary used to

1050
00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:47,989
facilitate the instruction of material

1051
00:42:52,420 --> 00:42:50,089
beans by capable knowledgeable non

1052
00:42:54,759 --> 00:42:52,430
material beans can you elaborate on that

1053
00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:54,769
and how this might have been facilitated

1054
00:42:58,549 --> 00:42:55,920
there

1055
00:43:01,099 --> 00:42:58,559
yes and the motivation for doing that is

1056
00:43:02,420 --> 00:43:01,109
really where the rationale is based on

1057
00:43:03,799 --> 00:43:02,430
that motivation if you understand the

1058
00:43:06,410 --> 00:43:03,809
motivation it's easier to understand

1059
00:43:08,900 --> 00:43:06,420
what happened mm-hmm in the cycle of

1060
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:08,910
time frame quickening on one universe

1061
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:11,210
and slowing down and the other universe

1062
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:13,440
ultimately reaches a point in the

1063
00:43:17,329 --> 00:43:14,970
non-material universe at less mature

1064
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:17,339
universe where time frame is moving so

1065
00:43:22,099 --> 00:43:20,640
quickly so ultra quickly that there's no

1066
00:43:25,489 --> 00:43:22,109
coherent moment in which to take an

1067
00:43:28,489 --> 00:43:25,499
action and so all events essentially

1068
00:43:30,410 --> 00:43:28,499
happen at once and that's the concept of

1069
00:43:33,079 --> 00:43:30,420
having perfect knowledge of everything

1070
00:43:35,420 --> 00:43:33,089
but no moment of time in which to take

1071
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:35,430
action and so with a person there's an

1072
00:43:41,450 --> 00:43:37,650
equivalent state that a person can be in

1073
00:43:43,579 --> 00:43:41,460
it's called locked-in syndrome there's a

1074
00:43:45,190 --> 00:43:43,589
famous book that was made into a film

1075
00:43:48,499 --> 00:43:45,200
called the diving bell and the butterfly

1076
00:43:50,779 --> 00:43:48,509
it was written by a Frenchman who was at

1077
00:43:52,970 --> 00:43:50,789
the wheel of his car and suffered a

1078
00:43:54,829 --> 00:43:52,980
stroke and had a car accident and they

1079
00:43:57,950 --> 00:43:54,839
thought he was brain dead and they took

1080
00:43:59,839 --> 00:43:57,960
him home to care for him and he could

1081
00:44:01,339 --> 00:43:59,849
still blink his eyes but they thought

1082
00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:01,349
that was just a reflex movement they

1083
00:44:04,670 --> 00:44:02,400
didn't think there was anything to that

1084
00:44:06,170 --> 00:44:04,680
in truth he was still perfectly

1085
00:44:08,569 --> 00:44:06,180
conscious inside there but it was like

1086
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:08,579
being buried alive because nobody knew

1087
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:09,930
he was in there they thought he was

1088
00:44:17,809 --> 00:44:14,640
brain dead so he managed to convey to a

1089
00:44:19,009 --> 00:44:17,819
very attentive aide that he was still in

1090
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:19,019
there she noticed that there was a

1091
00:44:23,299 --> 00:44:21,930
pattern to his eye blinks and she

1092
00:44:24,979 --> 00:44:23,309
figured out that he was self fully

1093
00:44:26,569 --> 00:44:24,989
conscious inside there and she worked up

1094
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:26,579
a system of eye blinks to indicate

1095
00:44:30,529 --> 00:44:28,650
letters and he ended up writing this

1096
00:44:34,700 --> 00:44:30,539
entire book one letter at a time

1097
00:44:37,130 --> 00:44:34,710
with her help huh well the non-material

1098
00:44:40,009 --> 00:44:37,140
verses like that because about a third

1099
00:44:42,289 --> 00:44:40,019
of the way into the cycle they figure

1100
00:44:43,999 --> 00:44:42,299
out that where these changes in time

1101
00:44:45,799 --> 00:44:44,009
frame are leading is to a situation

1102
00:44:48,829 --> 00:44:45,809
that's just like locked-in syndrome

1103
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:48,839
would be for a person it's a state of

1104
00:44:53,420 --> 00:44:50,730
perfect consciousness where you can't

1105
00:44:56,450 --> 00:44:53,430
move and it's like being buried alive if

1106
00:44:57,799 --> 00:44:56,460
you don't have an aide who can move who

1107
00:45:00,739 --> 00:44:57,809
knows you're in there and who can

1108
00:45:03,829 --> 00:45:00,749
interpret for you it's a horrific state

1109
00:45:05,329 --> 00:45:03,839
to be in and so the way the Yuga cycle

1110
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:05,339
works is at the point where the

1111
00:45:11,829 --> 00:45:08,690
ascending side is least material

1112
00:45:13,150 --> 00:45:11,839
the descending side is most removed from

1113
00:45:16,089 --> 00:45:13,160
even understanding that the non-material

1114
00:45:17,770 --> 00:45:16,099
is even there that our ability to

1115
00:45:20,140 --> 00:45:17,780
perceive the non-material becomes less

1116
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:20,150
and less and less and less so just at

1117
00:45:24,700 --> 00:45:21,890
the point the denominator side needs us

1118
00:45:27,099 --> 00:45:24,710
most the material side is least able to

1119
00:45:29,319 --> 00:45:27,109
even know that they're there and so

1120
00:45:31,900 --> 00:45:29,329
about a third of the way to the cycle

1121
00:45:33,970 --> 00:45:31,910
the non-material decides if I'm going to

1122
00:45:36,430 --> 00:45:33,980
have a compatriot when I'm locked in I

1123
00:45:38,890 --> 00:45:36,440
need to establish a structure for

1124
00:45:40,450 --> 00:45:38,900
society on the material side that will

1125
00:45:44,829 --> 00:45:40,460
preserve the knowledge of the fact that

1126
00:45:47,140 --> 00:45:44,839
I'm here hmm and so the symbolic system

1127
00:45:49,059 --> 00:45:47,150
comes around framed in a way where the

1128
00:45:51,790 --> 00:45:49,069
hope is that it will retain its

1129
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:51,800
coherency for thousands and thousands of

1130
00:45:56,980 --> 00:45:54,890
years and at the same time the esoteric

1131
00:45:59,079 --> 00:45:56,990
tradition sort of selectively filters

1132
00:46:01,569 --> 00:45:59,089
out sincere caretakers a group of

1133
00:46:03,819 --> 00:46:01,579
sincere people who are attuned to the

1134
00:46:07,390 --> 00:46:03,829
non-material who can act as responsible

1135
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:07,400
caretakers for the non-material huh so

1136
00:46:12,430 --> 00:46:10,250
in the mindset of samkhya there are a

1137
00:46:13,930 --> 00:46:12,440
routine attempts being made by the Nama

1138
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:13,940
to decide to communicate with the

1139
00:46:19,030 --> 00:46:16,130
material side all the time yes and they

1140
00:46:22,300 --> 00:46:19,040
come in the form of vivid images and

1141
00:46:23,530 --> 00:46:22,310
dreams synchronicities or what look to

1142
00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:23,540
us like synchronicities you know

1143
00:46:28,240 --> 00:46:26,480
coincidences the unusual behavior of

1144
00:46:30,660 --> 00:46:28,250
animals

1145
00:46:34,450 --> 00:46:30,670
nation like during the eating

1146
00:46:37,330 --> 00:46:34,460
clairvoyance ii and all the paranormal

1147
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:37,340
type ways of knowing things that science

1148
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:41,210
doesn't recognize sure now the more a

1149
00:46:45,010 --> 00:46:42,650
person on the material side pays

1150
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:45,020
attention to those after a while you may

1151
00:46:47,770 --> 00:46:46,490
if you've experienced some of these

1152
00:46:50,140 --> 00:46:47,780
things you may reach a point where you

1153
00:46:51,490 --> 00:46:50,150
feel like that could not have possibly

1154
00:46:53,260 --> 00:46:51,500
been a coincidence

1155
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:53,270
what just happened or what has been

1156
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:55,490
happening it isn't reasonably considered

1157
00:46:59,530 --> 00:46:57,290
a coincidence there's too little chance

1158
00:47:02,020 --> 00:46:59,540
it could happen and the people who pay

1159
00:47:05,020 --> 00:47:02,030
attention to that and credit that there

1160
00:47:06,910 --> 00:47:05,030
might be something else going on foster

1161
00:47:08,740 --> 00:47:06,920
it for themselves

1162
00:47:10,330 --> 00:47:08,750
another metaphor I use let's say you

1163
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:10,340
were from Eastern Europe and you

1164
00:47:14,500 --> 00:47:11,930
attended a party in New York City and

1165
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:14,510
you didn't speak English but about a

1166
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:16,130
third of the way into the party you

1167
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:17,570
realized there was some guy over in the

1168
00:47:20,860 --> 00:47:19,610
corner who sort of spoke Ukrainian and

1169
00:47:23,140 --> 00:47:20,870
you knew a little bit you crane Ian

1170
00:47:24,730 --> 00:47:23,150
you'd go over and spend the rest of

1171
00:47:25,750 --> 00:47:24,740
evening next to that guy hoping to be

1172
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:25,760
able to communicate with it

1173
00:47:31,090 --> 00:47:29,090
that's what the non-material does as it

1174
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:31,100
becomes aware of the fact that someone

1175
00:47:35,860 --> 00:47:33,200
on the material side is taking these

1176
00:47:37,780 --> 00:47:35,870
attempts at communication seriously they

1177
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:37,790
try to foster them the same way you and

1178
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:40,370
I might try to foster a spark to light a

1179
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:44,450
campfire I love it man absolutely and

1180
00:47:51,550 --> 00:47:47,890
it's just makes so many strange things

1181
00:47:54,130 --> 00:47:51,560
sound kind of normalized like when you

1182
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:54,140
say the time differential between the

1183
00:47:59,320 --> 00:47:56,810
two realities leaves non-material beans

1184
00:48:01,960 --> 00:47:59,330
no clear moment to act I mean that is

1185
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:01,970
just so in line with what I hear from

1186
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:04,880
even magic practitioners who partake in

1187
00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:07,370
ritual and try to contact spiritual

1188
00:48:12,430 --> 00:48:10,400
entities is they often say that they

1189
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:12,440
might ask for something and it comes to

1190
00:48:16,930 --> 00:48:14,930
them in a strange form or at a time

1191
00:48:18,910 --> 00:48:16,940
depth that is nowhere near when they

1192
00:48:21,460 --> 00:48:18,920
asked or how they asked and it almost

1193
00:48:24,190 --> 00:48:21,470
does seem just like that like you might

1194
00:48:25,630 --> 00:48:24,200
make a plea to a spirit and the spirit

1195
00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:25,640
might be willing to help but it just

1196
00:48:30,370 --> 00:48:28,250
comes out in 20 years rather than 20

1197
00:48:33,460 --> 00:48:30,380
days and it's just like I guess this

1198
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:33,470
would explain why that happens right I

1199
00:48:36,220 --> 00:48:34,970
mean it could potentially explain a lot

1200
00:48:38,860 --> 00:48:36,230
of different things if we have shifting

1201
00:48:40,750 --> 00:48:38,870
timeframes the astrophysicists say that

1202
00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:40,760
certain particles of matter only exists

1203
00:48:45,700 --> 00:48:42,800
for microns of a second a millionth of a

1204
00:48:48,070 --> 00:48:45,710
second and that it looks to them as if

1205
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:48,080
certain things are random my perspective

1206
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:50,090
on that based on the dynamics that

1207
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:52,250
underlie all this stuff is no those are

1208
00:48:56,590 --> 00:48:54,530
not random but they happen so quickly

1209
00:48:57,970 --> 00:48:56,600
that we don't have a tool refined enough

1210
00:49:00,250 --> 00:48:57,980
to measure it it's like trying to

1211
00:49:02,380 --> 00:49:00,260
measure millimeters with a yardstick

1212
00:49:04,060 --> 00:49:02,390
that if you're trying to predict where

1213
00:49:05,500 --> 00:49:04,070
along the yardstick this thing's going

1214
00:49:06,850 --> 00:49:05,510
to pop up you don't have a tool we're

1215
00:49:09,010 --> 00:49:06,860
fine enough to be able to predict it and

1216
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:09,020
so everything looks like it's random

1217
00:49:12,910 --> 00:49:10,370
because you're miss guessing all the

1218
00:49:14,890 --> 00:49:12,920
time as to where it's going to be I can

1219
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:14,900
even imagine that during certain eras

1220
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:17,090
that if the denominator we're trying to

1221
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:19,610
take action on the material side there

1222
00:49:23,359 --> 00:49:20,640
might be a

1223
00:49:25,490 --> 00:49:23,369
length of time in any given area that

1224
00:49:30,019 --> 00:49:25,500
they could access so now if you're

1225
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:30,029
trying to use energy to shape stone you

1226
00:49:34,009 --> 00:49:31,440
might not be able to shape a stone

1227
00:49:37,130 --> 00:49:34,019
smaller than 700 tons in the amount of

1228
00:49:38,359 --> 00:49:37,140
time you've got so over time what we see

1229
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:38,369
happen with these ancient stone

1230
00:49:43,370 --> 00:49:40,319
structures is that what started out as

1231
00:49:45,140 --> 00:49:43,380
these intensely large blocks of stone

1232
00:49:46,759 --> 00:49:45,150
that why in the world would anybody how

1233
00:49:48,529 --> 00:49:46,769
could they have moved it why would they

1234
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:48,539
have you and worked with it the

1235
00:49:52,490 --> 00:49:50,400
perspective of an engineer I know is

1236
00:49:54,500 --> 00:49:52,500
that you would only build something out

1237
00:49:58,789 --> 00:49:54,510
of 700 ton blocks if that were the

1238
00:50:00,410 --> 00:49:58,799
easiest way to build it hmm or if you

1239
00:50:04,279 --> 00:50:00,420
were doing that for a particular effect

1240
00:50:05,930 --> 00:50:04,289
yeah so there are lots of different

1241
00:50:08,359 --> 00:50:05,940
indications of time frame I mean you

1242
00:50:10,519 --> 00:50:08,369
have certain events happen like the

1243
00:50:12,620 --> 00:50:10,529
appearance of the Hebrew God on the

1244
00:50:14,750 --> 00:50:12,630
mountain certain events like that that

1245
00:50:17,450 --> 00:50:14,760
seem to happen only in increments of

1246
00:50:19,609 --> 00:50:17,460
about 1500 years you know that might

1247
00:50:21,980 --> 00:50:19,619
simply be at that stage of the game what

1248
00:50:23,390 --> 00:50:21,990
travel time that was the minimum amount

1249
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:23,400
of time they can get back and do the

1250
00:50:26,450 --> 00:50:24,930
next thing mm-hmm

1251
00:50:27,859 --> 00:50:26,460
if you have timeframe flowing at

1252
00:50:28,999 --> 00:50:27,869
different rates on both sides if it's

1253
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:29,009
going much more quickly on the other

1254
00:50:34,460 --> 00:50:31,170
side it's like trying to catch a stick

1255
00:50:35,690 --> 00:50:34,470
that's floating down a river huh it's

1256
00:50:38,660 --> 00:50:35,700
gonna move a certain distance before you

1257
00:50:40,970 --> 00:50:38,670
able to grab it yeah I just I really do

1258
00:50:42,589 --> 00:50:40,980
love getting into what the interactions

1259
00:50:44,569 --> 00:50:42,599
between the spirit world and this one

1260
00:50:46,910 --> 00:50:44,579
might be like I didn't expect us to get

1261
00:50:50,660 --> 00:50:46,920
into it so much today honestly but I do

1262
00:50:52,670 --> 00:50:50,670
love it and it kind of justifies I mean

1263
00:50:55,069 --> 00:50:52,680
you mentioned earlier that it could be

1264
00:50:58,460 --> 00:50:55,079
like feeling as if you're buried alive

1265
00:51:00,529 --> 00:50:58,470
and we do have these threads where the

1266
00:51:03,079 --> 00:51:00,539
archetype of a trickster being is thrown

1267
00:51:05,089 --> 00:51:03,089
out there or this idea that the spirits

1268
00:51:08,180 --> 00:51:05,099
have disdain for man or there are

1269
00:51:09,950 --> 00:51:08,190
jealous angels I mean this is kind of

1270
00:51:12,410 --> 00:51:09,960
like a grass is always greener kind of

1271
00:51:14,539 --> 00:51:12,420
thing I'm like whichever realm you're in

1272
00:51:16,039 --> 00:51:14,549
you're like man that one seems like the

1273
00:51:18,170 --> 00:51:16,049
higher plane because we say that over

1274
00:51:20,299 --> 00:51:18,180
here to a lot of people think the spirit

1275
00:51:23,420 --> 00:51:20,309
dimension is a higher dimension rather

1276
00:51:25,339 --> 00:51:23,430
than a parallel one right and in the

1277
00:51:27,559 --> 00:51:25,349
mindset of this tradition it's eye to

1278
00:51:30,349 --> 00:51:27,569
eye these are siblings too described as

1279
00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:30,359
companion to walk side by side as a

1280
00:51:34,220 --> 00:51:32,730
matter of fact if you get down to the

1281
00:51:37,700 --> 00:51:34,230
bottom of the concept of a cub

1282
00:51:40,910 --> 00:51:37,710
in Judaism what it brings you to is the

1283
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:40,920
idea of these two universes who go

1284
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:42,720
through this perpetual cycle where one

1285
00:51:46,550 --> 00:51:44,880
has to train the other as its caretaker

1286
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:46,560
eventually because it knows it's gonna

1287
00:51:52,670 --> 00:51:49,530
need it ah and so there's this

1288
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:52,680
understanding that since we reach all

1289
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:55,200
the other one has as these roles shift

1290
00:51:58,280 --> 00:51:56,490
we're each going to do for the other one

1291
00:52:00,020 --> 00:51:58,290
we're gonna play our own role and

1292
00:52:02,030 --> 00:52:00,030
whatever stage of the cycle we're in

1293
00:52:03,980 --> 00:52:02,040
either to be the caretaker to be the

1294
00:52:07,609 --> 00:52:03,990
trainer and it goes on like that and

1295
00:52:09,830 --> 00:52:07,619
that's a perpetual covenant Wow that

1296
00:52:12,349 --> 00:52:09,840
seems like a pretty awesome thing to

1297
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:12,359
have baked into reality but to bring it

1298
00:52:17,990 --> 00:52:15,210
back to gobekli tepe I know that also in

1299
00:52:20,570 --> 00:52:18,000
your book the mystery of skara brae you

1300
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:20,580
talked about this megalithic site in

1301
00:52:25,070 --> 00:52:22,770
Scotland and that it's maybe somewhat

1302
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:25,080
similar but when when the people left

1303
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:27,810
Orkney Island it was buried just like

1304
00:52:32,780 --> 00:52:30,450
gobekli tepe was buried I guess I'm

1305
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:32,790
curious as to why that might be why

1306
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:36,450
these stewards of this knowledge would

1307
00:52:41,970 --> 00:52:39,370
decide to bury it

1308
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:41,980
everything is symbolism there is an

1309
00:52:47,870 --> 00:52:44,410
Egyptian word that means to cover over

1310
00:52:50,130 --> 00:52:47,880
or to bury it's pronounced ark

1311
00:52:52,190 --> 00:52:50,140
phonetically that could either be a RQ

1312
00:52:56,700 --> 00:52:52,200
or a RK depending on how it's

1313
00:53:02,340 --> 00:52:56,710
transliterated symbolically what the

1314
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:02,350
word presents is it repeats the dynamic

1315
00:53:05,940 --> 00:53:03,970
of a tradition that happens everyday in

1316
00:53:08,940 --> 00:53:05,950
a Jewish temple and a Jewish temple what

1317
00:53:11,580 --> 00:53:08,950
happens is every Jewish temple anywhere

1318
00:53:14,340 --> 00:53:11,590
in the world is reading the same portion

1319
00:53:17,340 --> 00:53:14,350
of the Old Testament it's written on a

1320
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:17,350
Torah scroll on the same day and over

1321
00:53:21,720 --> 00:53:18,730
the course of the year they read the

1322
00:53:23,130 --> 00:53:21,730
entire scroll and so they always forward

1323
00:53:24,810 --> 00:53:23,140
to the next portion they're always all

1324
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:24,820
on the same portion it doesn't matter

1325
00:53:28,110 --> 00:53:26,410
what temple you walk into you're going

1326
00:53:29,470 --> 00:53:28,120
to hear the correct portion for that day

1327
00:53:32,319 --> 00:53:29,480
of the year

1328
00:53:34,930 --> 00:53:32,329
when they finish reading that section

1329
00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:34,940
which is treated as an instructed lesson

1330
00:53:41,980 --> 00:53:38,089
they then cover the Torah scroll over

1331
00:53:45,089 --> 00:53:41,990
and set it inside a cabinet to protect

1332
00:53:47,589 --> 00:53:45,099
it that's called a narone ha'qodesh

1333
00:53:50,950 --> 00:53:47,599
that's a phrase that gets abbreviated to

1334
00:53:53,230 --> 00:53:50,960
arc symbolically what they're doing with

1335
00:53:56,230 --> 00:53:53,240
these templates is sanctuary sites when

1336
00:53:59,650 --> 00:53:56,240
they cover them over is that they're

1337
00:54:01,870 --> 00:53:59,660
saying look the instructional purpose of

1338
00:54:04,150 --> 00:54:01,880
this site was brought to completion and

1339
00:54:05,829 --> 00:54:04,160
to demonstrate that we've carefully

1340
00:54:07,390 --> 00:54:05,839
covered it over it didn't accidentally

1341
00:54:09,310 --> 00:54:07,400
get abandoned midway through we didn't

1342
00:54:10,599 --> 00:54:09,320
get interrupted you can see that we

1343
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:10,609
finished what we were doing because we

1344
00:54:15,010 --> 00:54:12,410
carefully covered it over and put it

1345
00:54:18,450 --> 00:54:15,020
away for someone else to find at a later

1346
00:54:20,260 --> 00:54:18,460
point also understanding that the

1347
00:54:22,060 --> 00:54:20,270
information that's in the esoteric

1348
00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:22,070
tradition is aimed at a highly

1349
00:54:28,510 --> 00:54:25,730
technological audience rests on Buddhism

1350
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:28,520
flatly says it rests on symbols that

1351
00:54:32,140 --> 00:54:30,650
really only a technical audience is

1352
00:54:34,420 --> 00:54:32,150
going to be able to see these are forms

1353
00:54:37,569 --> 00:54:34,430
that exist in nature like the shape of

1354
00:54:40,510 --> 00:54:37,579
an electron orbit or the dynamic of

1355
00:54:42,490 --> 00:54:40,520
virtual particles only a technological

1356
00:54:44,380 --> 00:54:42,500
society is going to recognize these for

1357
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:44,390
what they are but when they see them

1358
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:45,650
they're gonna immediately know that's

1359
00:54:49,450 --> 00:54:47,690
what it is he can't not capable of

1360
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:49,460
losing meaning for an electron orbit

1361
00:54:54,579 --> 00:54:52,130
shape these are called adequate symbols

1362
00:54:57,940 --> 00:54:54,589
symbols that whose meaning in here is in

1363
00:55:00,099 --> 00:54:57,950
their shape so because it's aimed at the

1364
00:55:02,109 --> 00:55:00,109
future audience covering over these

1365
00:55:04,359 --> 00:55:02,119
sites was a productive thing because

1366
00:55:06,819 --> 00:55:04,369
that also would preserve them for that

1367
00:55:08,650 --> 00:55:06,829
same future audience covering over the

1368
00:55:10,450 --> 00:55:08,660
gobekli tepe site protected all the

1369
00:55:13,300 --> 00:55:10,460
carvings and protected this don't work

1370
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:13,310
right we come along and we dig it up and

1371
00:55:16,660 --> 00:55:15,770
now we have almost perfect examples of

1372
00:55:17,980 --> 00:55:16,670
what they've done because I've been

1373
00:55:20,890 --> 00:55:17,990
sitting there buried for thousands of

1374
00:55:22,569 --> 00:55:20,900
years yeah same thing on Orkney Island

1375
00:55:24,970 --> 00:55:22,579
the site's there were covered over

1376
00:55:27,460 --> 00:55:24,980
buried in some cases deliberately but

1377
00:55:30,460 --> 00:55:27,470
with the Orkney sites they also left

1378
00:55:32,859 --> 00:55:30,470
symbols along with the Buried site for

1379
00:55:36,610 --> 00:55:32,869
example just before they abandoned

1380
00:55:40,060 --> 00:55:36,620
Orkney island they held a major feast

1381
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:40,070
these were farmers who also had cattle

1382
00:55:44,890 --> 00:55:42,290
and sheep and if they knew they were

1383
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:44,900
leaving the island rather than leaving

1384
00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:46,970
the livestock behind to die of

1385
00:55:51,310 --> 00:55:49,520
starvation or leaving them to their own

1386
00:55:53,500 --> 00:55:51,320
devices they ended up slaughtering about

1387
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:53,510
400 of them for this feast

1388
00:55:59,140 --> 00:55:56,210
now when the feast was done they left

1389
00:56:02,920 --> 00:55:59,150
bones all around the side of the feast

1390
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:02,930
but not just any bones they left just

1391
00:56:08,290 --> 00:56:05,570
the tibias these are leg bones mm-hmm

1392
00:56:11,170 --> 00:56:08,300
they got said all around the site well

1393
00:56:12,850 --> 00:56:11,180
an Egyptian word for leg bone it's

1394
00:56:15,070 --> 00:56:12,860
pronounced just the same way as an

1395
00:56:19,210 --> 00:56:15,080
Egyptian word that means to depart in

1396
00:56:22,870 --> 00:56:19,220
haste or to depart under duress ah they

1397
00:56:25,180 --> 00:56:22,880
also left the carcass of a deer across

1398
00:56:28,540 --> 00:56:25,190
the top of the Buried site an intact

1399
00:56:31,060 --> 00:56:28,550
carcass that also implies to leave under

1400
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:31,070
duress because he had to leave so were

1401
00:56:35,110 --> 00:56:32,690
left with the impression that they knew

1402
00:56:38,170 --> 00:56:35,120
they had to leave but it wasn't so

1403
00:56:40,270 --> 00:56:38,180
urgent it wasn't like there were enemy

1404
00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:40,280
soldiers on their doorstep they had time

1405
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:43,520
to have a feast hmm then there was a

1406
00:56:48,460 --> 00:56:46,010
third piece of it they left cow or a

1407
00:56:51,340 --> 00:56:48,470
bull skull on top of that hole buried

1408
00:56:52,750 --> 00:56:51,350
site which carried another message about

1409
00:56:54,850 --> 00:56:52,760
what it was they were doing and why they

1410
00:56:56,410 --> 00:56:54,860
were doing it and that's a technique

1411
00:56:57,610 --> 00:56:56,420
that's used in ancient times fairly

1412
00:57:00,580 --> 00:56:57,620
frequently that they leave behind

1413
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:00,590
symbolic elements and if you find out

1414
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:02,090
how the words were pronounced for those

1415
00:57:06,220 --> 00:57:04,130
symbolic elements it tells you something

1416
00:57:07,630 --> 00:57:06,230
it's the same way dream interpretation

1417
00:57:09,220 --> 00:57:07,640
can work

1418
00:57:12,700 --> 00:57:09,230
there's a dynamic between the

1419
00:57:14,650 --> 00:57:12,710
non-material and the material its unity

1420
00:57:16,630 --> 00:57:14,660
to multiplicity you every ancient

1421
00:57:18,490 --> 00:57:16,640
tradition says that that the

1422
00:57:22,180 --> 00:57:18,500
non-material is associated with unity

1423
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:22,190
which is entanglement and the material

1424
00:57:28,180 --> 00:57:25,280
is associated with multiplicity so every

1425
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:28,190
atom is like a subdivision of a grande

1426
00:57:33,070 --> 00:57:31,130
non material source and every individual

1427
00:57:35,710 --> 00:57:33,080
consciousness is like a subdivision of a

1428
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:35,720
grande material consciousness that same

1429
00:57:41,860 --> 00:57:38,330
dynamic is seen if you shine quite light

1430
00:57:45,220 --> 00:57:41,870
into a prism you get the seven colours

1431
00:57:47,020 --> 00:57:45,230
of a rainbow that is the dynamic across

1432
00:57:49,300 --> 00:57:47,030
this threshold between non material

1433
00:57:51,700 --> 00:57:49,310
material it happens with language also

1434
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:51,710
then if you have a cosmological concept

1435
00:57:56,380 --> 00:57:53,930
which according to the Dogon and the

1436
00:57:58,120 --> 00:57:56,390
Buddhists knowledge of that concept

1437
00:58:00,670 --> 00:57:58,130
actually begins on the non material side

1438
00:58:02,950 --> 00:58:00,680
not the material side then its

1439
00:58:04,690 --> 00:58:02,960
expression when it crosses that boundary

1440
00:58:07,870 --> 00:58:04,700
automatically becomes multiple not

1441
00:58:09,970 --> 00:58:07,880
single and so in the Egyptian era for

1442
00:58:11,740 --> 00:58:09,980
the Dogon you end up with multiple

1443
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:11,750
meanings of the same word and meanings

1444
00:58:14,770 --> 00:58:13,610
that are discrete from each other it's

1445
00:58:19,300 --> 00:58:14,780
not like they're related to each other

1446
00:58:21,940 --> 00:58:19,310
the name of the creator god Amma means

1447
00:58:25,060 --> 00:58:21,950
to grasp or to hold firm or to establish

1448
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:25,070
the same hidden God this is the hidden

1449
00:58:30,100 --> 00:58:27,410
creator God the hidden God in Egypt the

1450
00:58:33,820 --> 00:58:30,110
name of the hidden God also means to

1451
00:58:36,190 --> 00:58:33,830
hold firm or to establish in Hebrew the

1452
00:58:38,330 --> 00:58:36,200
same word Amen comes from a root that

1453
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:38,340
means to establish

1454
00:58:41,870 --> 00:58:40,170
so these clusters of meaning go together

1455
00:58:44,030 --> 00:58:41,880
in all these different cultures no

1456
00:58:45,410 --> 00:58:44,040
matter what the language is the concept

1457
00:58:48,650 --> 00:58:45,420
goes with the same cluster of other

1458
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:48,660
concepts yeah I mean this is just

1459
00:58:52,460 --> 00:58:50,400
amazing man and that's kind of like what

1460
00:58:54,500 --> 00:58:52,470
I was thinking about the burial of these

1461
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:54,510
places is if you had a true

1462
00:58:58,670 --> 00:58:57,210
understanding of the cyclical nature of

1463
00:59:01,580 --> 00:58:58,680
things you would have full faith that

1464
00:59:03,380 --> 00:59:01,590
the structure would be unearthed again

1465
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:03,390
when it was needed you know it would be

1466
00:59:08,180 --> 00:59:05,970
like a significant point on a cyclical

1467
00:59:10,490 --> 00:59:08,190
timeline which might speak to the idea

1468
00:59:12,770 --> 00:59:10,500
that we are slightly on the upswing if

1469
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:12,780
we've uncovered it and then maybe it

1470
00:59:15,650 --> 00:59:14,490
takes us a while to unpack what it was

1471
00:59:18,590 --> 00:59:15,660
about and then for the wider

1472
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:18,600
understanding to take place but you do

1473
00:59:23,390 --> 00:59:21,330
amazing work so much fun I expected to

1474
00:59:24,950 --> 00:59:23,400
talk about the Maori a little bit more

1475
00:59:26,750 --> 00:59:24,960
but they really are just one of many

1476
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:26,760
entry points that end up at a similar

1477
00:59:29,270 --> 00:59:28,410
place and that's kind of the beauty of

1478
00:59:31,490 --> 00:59:29,280
what you do

1479
00:59:33,230 --> 00:59:31,500
are there other cultures you plan to

1480
00:59:36,230 --> 00:59:33,240
tackle or new books and the works you

1481
00:59:37,940 --> 00:59:36,240
did mention one a bit earlier I'm in the

1482
00:59:39,350 --> 00:59:37,950
process probably about halfway through a

1483
00:59:42,530 --> 00:59:39,360
book that I'm calling the plan of the

1484
00:59:43,820 --> 00:59:42,540
ancient cosmology and the reason I

1485
00:59:47,060 --> 00:59:43,830
wanted to write this book is because it

1486
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:47,070
gives me an opportunity to express a

1487
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:49,680
bunch of things about as time goes on I

1488
00:59:55,220 --> 00:59:52,890
get insights as to some of the choices

1489
00:59:58,040 --> 00:59:55,230
that were made in how the cosmology

1490
01:00:00,440 --> 00:59:58,050
itself was framed and put together how

1491
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:00,450
the educational process was presented

1492
01:00:04,580 --> 01:00:02,130
why things are different in one culture

1493
01:00:06,410 --> 01:00:04,590
than in a different culture so this is

1494
01:00:08,330 --> 01:00:06,420
basically talking about how is the

1495
01:00:10,910 --> 01:00:08,340
cosmology itself structured as an

1496
01:00:12,740 --> 01:00:10,920
educational tool and why would these

1497
01:00:14,750 --> 01:00:12,750
choices made the way they were might

1498
01:00:16,850 --> 01:00:14,760
also talked about the possibility the

1499
01:00:19,550 --> 01:00:16,860
long time wanted to rewrite some of the

1500
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:19,560
myths whether or not I would have enough

1501
01:00:23,780 --> 01:00:21,330
of those to fill a book is a good

1502
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:23,790
question but the exercise of trying to

1503
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:25,170
get down to the bottom of what the myths

1504
01:00:29,930 --> 01:00:27,450
about is a really worthwhile one for me

1505
01:00:31,850 --> 01:00:29,940
because it ties all the pieces together

1506
01:00:34,580 --> 01:00:31,860
by the time I get to the point where I

1507
01:00:37,430 --> 01:00:34,590
could rewrite that myth I have my arms

1508
01:00:38,890 --> 01:00:37,440
around the whole picture that's one of

1509
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:38,900
the goals of what I'm trying to get to

1510
01:00:43,030 --> 01:00:42,210
we'll see if that book happens in the

1511
01:00:44,860 --> 01:00:43,040
past

1512
01:00:46,030 --> 01:00:44,870
a number of the books have picked me I

1513
01:00:49,060 --> 01:00:46,040
have picked them this is like

1514
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:49,070
Ollivanders wand the wand picks the

1515
01:00:53,230 --> 01:00:51,410
wizard in Harry Potter that's the same

1516
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:53,240
thing that out of the blue there'll be a

1517
01:00:57,370 --> 01:00:54,530
question that comes from somebody I

1518
01:00:59,020 --> 01:00:57,380
don't know and if I sincerely pursue

1519
01:01:01,120 --> 01:00:59,030
that question that puts me on to

1520
01:01:02,830 --> 01:01:01,130
material that opens up a whole book in a

1521
01:01:05,350 --> 01:01:02,840
short amount of time it happened with

1522
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:05,360
mystery of skara brae it happened with

1523
01:01:09,670 --> 01:01:07,610
point of origin and it actually happened

1524
01:01:11,710 --> 01:01:09,680
with my book seeking the primordial nice

1525
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:11,720
not to say that something like that

1526
01:01:15,700 --> 01:01:13,850
won't bump the things I think I'm

1527
01:01:18,940 --> 01:01:15,710
working on and put me onto the thing I

1528
01:01:20,830 --> 01:01:18,950
actually work on well I love it and if

1529
01:01:23,500 --> 01:01:20,840
you write that gyu's book you let me

1530
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:23,510
know yes maybe a while to like get to

1531
01:01:27,580 --> 01:01:24,650
that one but it's interesting to know

1532
01:01:29,590 --> 01:01:27,590
about it anyway for sure well heck yeah

1533
01:01:31,660 --> 01:01:29,600
I really look forward to the one you are

1534
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:31,670
working on and I mean would you like to

1535
01:01:35,890 --> 01:01:33,650
remind people of anything else before we

1536
01:01:37,690 --> 01:01:35,900
go your website how to keep tabs on you

1537
01:01:39,580 --> 01:01:37,700
and what you're doing sure my publisher

1538
01:01:42,820 --> 01:01:39,590
is inner traditions and they have a

1539
01:01:45,070 --> 01:01:42,830
website inner traditions calm there's an

1540
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:45,080
author page for me there there's also an

1541
01:01:49,930 --> 01:01:47,810
author page on Simon & Schuster calm for

1542
01:01:51,700 --> 01:01:49,940
me so those are places to come up with

1543
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:51,710
books the books are available pretty

1544
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:54,050
much anywhere on Amazon or Barnes &

1545
01:01:59,080 --> 01:01:56,450
Noble or whatever you're likely to find

1546
01:02:01,120 --> 01:01:59,090
the most recent books on the Shelf at

1547
01:02:04,300 --> 01:02:01,130
Barnes & Noble if you're looking for me

1548
01:02:06,340 --> 01:02:04,310
personally I'm on Facebook I'm the only

1549
01:02:07,900 --> 01:02:06,350
Laird scranton on Facebook I joke that

1550
01:02:10,420 --> 01:02:07,910
people shouldn't confuse me with all the

1551
01:02:11,950 --> 01:02:10,430
other Laird screen nothing but those are

1552
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:11,960
probably the best ways to try to find me

1553
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:13,970
and then if there's a reason to talk by

1554
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:16,490
email or whatever I do that too I'm

1555
01:02:21,340 --> 01:02:18,770
usually happy to explore a question or

1556
01:02:23,650 --> 01:02:21,350
answer a question or giving an opinion

1557
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:23,660
about something if somebody needs that

1558
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:27,530
right on beautiful well this has been

1559
01:02:33,340 --> 01:02:30,170
great like I said I do love the work you

1560
01:02:35,170 --> 01:02:33,350
do Laird and keep examining this world

1561
01:02:37,900 --> 01:02:35,180
and piecing the big puzzle back together

1562
01:02:41,310 --> 01:02:37,910
for us the new book from in traditions

1563
01:02:44,730 --> 01:02:41,320
is called decoding Mori cosmology and

1564
01:02:47,609 --> 01:02:44,740
it's been out only a few months now and

1565
01:02:50,099 --> 01:02:47,619
actually since the middle of May

1566
01:02:52,339 --> 01:02:50,109
that's the primary work this year that

1567
01:02:55,380 --> 01:02:52,349
we're trying to get some attention for

1568
01:02:57,269 --> 01:02:55,390
indeed and I definitely love that book

1569
01:02:59,309 --> 01:02:57,279
it's a great read if you're familiar

1570
01:03:02,190 --> 01:02:59,319
with the other books and I love the

1571
01:03:04,469 --> 01:03:02,200
connections to the Dogon and it's just

1572
01:03:08,039 --> 01:03:04,479
great to learn more about cultures that

1573
01:03:10,049 --> 01:03:08,049
we are completely separated from or we

1574
01:03:12,930 --> 01:03:10,059
feel separated from in our little

1575
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:12,940
Western bubble so amazing stuff man keep

1576
01:03:16,620 --> 01:03:14,410
doing what you do and take care out

1577
01:03:20,969 --> 01:03:16,630
there well thank you very much Cree

1578
01:03:23,249 --> 01:03:20,979
you got it whoa people whoa how do we

1579
01:03:25,950 --> 01:03:23,259
feel about that one the bridge of Syrah

1580
01:03:29,099 --> 01:03:25,960
himself a little reference for the plus

1581
01:03:31,079 --> 01:03:29,109
people there but I loved it and I even

1582
01:03:33,059 --> 01:03:31,089
told Laird that this is one of those

1583
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:33,069
shows that I knew I would be excited to

1584
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:35,650
put out sometimes you get off interview

1585
01:03:40,140 --> 01:03:37,930
and you feel a bit yeah and then it's

1586
01:03:43,109 --> 01:03:40,150
really a drag to go through the process

1587
01:03:45,959 --> 01:03:43,119
and put the thing out knowing that it's

1588
01:03:49,950 --> 01:03:45,969
not the best work we can do but that is

1589
01:03:53,999 --> 01:03:49,960
not the case today I did read Laird's

1590
01:03:57,690 --> 01:03:54,009
book on the Maury or the Maori or the

1591
01:04:00,150 --> 01:03:57,700
more I I suck it saying it I can read it

1592
01:04:02,249 --> 01:04:00,160
a lot better but I watched a couple of

1593
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:02,259
YouTube videos on the tribe even just

1594
01:04:06,390 --> 01:04:04,450
beforehand to try to get it right and I

1595
01:04:09,900 --> 01:04:06,400
hear a lot of different inflections and

1596
01:04:12,359 --> 01:04:09,910
I also read that the tribe itself had no

1597
01:04:14,670 --> 01:04:12,369
name for themselves collectively and the

1598
01:04:16,829 --> 01:04:14,680
name was just applied to them then I

1599
01:04:19,950 --> 01:04:16,839
found other sources that also say that's

1600
01:04:21,630 --> 01:04:19,960
wrong other sources say that that's just

1601
01:04:23,069 --> 01:04:21,640
an umbrella term for many different

1602
01:04:27,569 --> 01:04:23,079
groups of people who consider themselves

1603
01:04:30,660 --> 01:04:27,579
very differently than other groups under

1604
01:04:32,910 --> 01:04:30,670
the same label but all of this to me

1605
01:04:35,549 --> 01:04:32,920
speaks to just how hard it is to really

1606
01:04:38,700 --> 01:04:35,559
even get the simplest effects right when

1607
01:04:41,609 --> 01:04:38,710
it comes to indigenous cultures or just

1608
01:04:43,739 --> 01:04:41,619
cultures outside of our own because I

1609
01:04:45,870 --> 01:04:43,749
would absolutely want to be accurate and

1610
01:04:48,109 --> 01:04:45,880
I hope anybody with a Maori heritage

1611
01:04:50,339 --> 01:04:48,119
would feel that we were respectful

1612
01:04:52,709 --> 01:04:50,349
because there's clearly a history of

1613
01:04:54,450 --> 01:04:52,719
whitewashing and Empire splaining when

1614
01:04:57,150 --> 01:04:54,460
it comes to most of the remaining

1615
01:04:59,609 --> 01:04:57,160
cultures of the world obviously I can't

1616
01:05:01,050 --> 01:04:59,619
undo any of that but I would also hope

1617
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:01,060
to refrain from adding

1618
01:05:06,630 --> 01:05:04,810
to it when we have a show like this but

1619
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:06,640
people in groups who get too vigilant

1620
01:05:11,730 --> 01:05:08,890
about policing that type of thing are

1621
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:11,740
why some people might not bother trying

1622
01:05:17,130 --> 01:05:14,370
at all and I think that's worse right

1623
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:17,140
well like I said in the show it really

1624
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:19,450
was just a jumping-off point to get deep

1625
01:05:26,250 --> 01:05:22,810
into what the core esoteric tradition is

1626
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:26,260
or how we can see echoes and references

1627
01:05:31,020 --> 01:05:29,290
to it in many different cultures that

1628
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:31,030
did not communicate with each other and

1629
01:05:35,610 --> 01:05:33,250
even that's complicated right because

1630
01:05:37,650 --> 01:05:35,620
many of us are American so when you dig

1631
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:37,660
into alternative American history you

1632
01:05:41,820 --> 01:05:39,730
quickly learn that Columbus didn't

1633
01:05:44,100 --> 01:05:41,830
discover America firstly there were

1634
01:05:46,140 --> 01:05:44,110
plenty of people already here but still

1635
01:05:47,820 --> 01:05:46,150
you hear some pretty wild stories that

1636
01:05:50,580 --> 01:05:47,830
maybe the Romans came here maybe the

1637
01:05:52,770 --> 01:05:50,590
Vikings came here remember Harry Hubbard

1638
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:52,780
who was all about Alexander the Great's

1639
01:05:57,780 --> 01:05:55,450
hidden riches in Illinois so who knows

1640
01:05:59,730 --> 01:05:57,790
if you're Mormon you think ancient Jews

1641
01:06:02,850 --> 01:05:59,740
sailed over here and became the Native

1642
01:06:04,890 --> 01:06:02,860
Americans my point is only to say that

1643
01:06:07,590 --> 01:06:04,900
you can kind of come out of all those

1644
01:06:09,930 --> 01:06:07,600
threads thinking hey maybe someone did

1645
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:09,940
go around and physically travel to all

1646
01:06:14,430 --> 01:06:12,130
these cultures and taught them the ways

1647
01:06:16,650 --> 01:06:14,440
of civilization and gave them symbols

1648
01:06:19,350 --> 01:06:16,660
and stories to understand the complex

1649
01:06:22,470 --> 01:06:19,360
makeup of reality and our place in it

1650
01:06:25,050 --> 01:06:22,480
maybe but I just struggled with the lack

1651
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:25,060
of physical evidence for that maybe

1652
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:26,890
there are enough out of place artifacts

1653
01:06:31,980 --> 01:06:29,010
and suppressed finds to make the case

1654
01:06:34,110 --> 01:06:31,990
but the argument that many different

1655
01:06:35,790 --> 01:06:34,120
cultures tap into the same spirit realm

1656
01:06:38,430 --> 01:06:35,800
for this information is much more

1657
01:06:42,390 --> 01:06:38,440
plausible to me now that I feel like I

1658
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:42,400
have a shaky but somewhat sound model

1659
01:06:48,150 --> 01:06:46,450
for how that other realm works first off

1660
01:06:50,370 --> 01:06:48,160
many of these cultures are still doing

1661
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:50,380
it they still have spiritual traditions

1662
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:53,170
and shamanic practices so there you go I

1663
01:06:59,370 --> 01:06:56,530
wonder why and as Laird said these

1664
01:07:02,520 --> 01:06:59,380
non-physical beans seem to come to them

1665
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:02,530
actually that's a big deal and we got to

1666
01:07:06,570 --> 01:07:04,930
listen to what they say there's also

1667
01:07:08,850 --> 01:07:06,580
some stories out there that these

1668
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:08,860
cultures had white gods or white

1669
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:11,730
teachers and you never know if thats

1670
01:07:17,070 --> 01:07:14,050
nationalism getting in there

1671
01:07:19,740 --> 01:07:17,080
along the way somewhere or if maybe

1672
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:19,750
these beans were beans of light and

1673
01:07:23,790 --> 01:07:21,970
white and light kind of got lost in

1674
01:07:26,030 --> 01:07:23,800
translation it can look white if you're

1675
01:07:29,430 --> 01:07:26,040
trying to describe light as a color

1676
01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:29,440
again how do you make sense of all this

1677
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:32,050
stuff but I think it's fascinating to

1678
01:07:36,870 --> 01:07:33,970
think of a world where our twin

1679
01:07:38,850 --> 01:07:36,880
dimensions were not so separate we get

1680
01:07:40,860 --> 01:07:38,860
enough bleed over today for people who

1681
01:07:43,620 --> 01:07:40,870
care to see it or people who work on it

1682
01:07:47,190 --> 01:07:43,630
a bit to get there but imagine the dial

1683
01:07:49,830 --> 01:07:47,200
turned up 30 40 60 percent on that bleed

1684
01:07:53,070 --> 01:07:49,840
over who's gonna go to work at the Pepsi

1685
01:07:56,100 --> 01:07:53,080
plant in that reality who is watching

1686
01:07:59,670 --> 01:07:56,110
another drawn-out Marvel show on Netflix

1687
01:08:01,800 --> 01:07:59,680
in that reality I'm also reminded of

1688
01:08:04,230 --> 01:08:01,810
interviews with Gordon white or recently

1689
01:08:06,660 --> 01:08:04,240
jason louvre where we talked about the

1690
01:08:09,390 --> 01:08:06,670
spirits having a fascination with empire

1691
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:09,400
and that sounds a bit negative but then

1692
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:11,770
we talk about the spirits giving man the

1693
01:08:15,930 --> 01:08:14,050
teachings of agriculture and societal

1694
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:15,940
building and we think that that's a

1695
01:08:19,079 --> 01:08:18,250
positive thing but if you wanted to be

1696
01:08:20,820 --> 01:08:19,089
cynical

1697
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:20,830
you could almost make the case that the

1698
01:08:26,130 --> 01:08:22,650
spirits are playing the long game

1699
01:08:28,140 --> 01:08:26,140
because you can't influence Empire if we

1700
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:28,150
don't stop and settle down first I

1701
01:08:33,420 --> 01:08:30,850
almost think about it as the spirits

1702
01:08:35,519 --> 01:08:33,430
playing chess almost and with

1703
01:08:38,220 --> 01:08:35,529
hunter-gatherers you just have pawns on

1704
01:08:41,700 --> 01:08:38,230
the board no disrespect but people have

1705
01:08:44,430 --> 01:08:41,710
limited power and conquering ability and

1706
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:44,440
you have to mold your way up to the

1707
01:08:48,539 --> 01:08:46,210
bishops and the rooks and the Knights

1708
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:48,549
and the queens on the board because once

1709
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:51,010
you build man up or a structure a

1710
01:08:57,870 --> 01:08:55,690
society an empire and then you have more

1711
01:08:59,820 --> 01:08:57,880
powerful pieces with which to control

1712
01:09:02,700 --> 01:08:59,830
the board if you're acting through man

1713
01:09:05,820 --> 01:09:02,710
our influencing man or whatever the hell

1714
01:09:08,519 --> 01:09:05,830
they do to us these are my stupid stoner

1715
01:09:10,769 --> 01:09:08,529
thoughts but I like to play around with

1716
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:10,779
motivations and intentions when looking

1717
01:09:16,829 --> 01:09:14,170
at all this stuff but you know real fun

1718
01:09:18,809 --> 01:09:16,839
show today I felt like I got a couple of

1719
01:09:21,180 --> 01:09:18,819
those moments as Laird was breaking it

1720
01:09:22,620 --> 01:09:21,190
down where I felt like for a split

1721
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:22,630
second I could understand the whole

1722
01:09:25,970 --> 01:09:25,690
thing like oh there it is that's it but

1723
01:09:28,610 --> 01:09:25,980
that

1724
01:09:31,519 --> 01:09:28,620
it just slips away like a good

1725
01:09:34,490 --> 01:09:31,529
psychedelic insight tends to do maybe

1726
01:09:36,470 --> 01:09:34,500
I'm crazy I also think if you fold this

1727
01:09:38,780 --> 01:09:36,480
in with what an streamer had been

1728
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:38,790
communicating to Whitley from the last

1729
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:41,250
show there's a lot of complimentary

1730
01:09:47,210 --> 01:09:45,210
stuff there so that's cool too either

1731
01:09:48,860 --> 01:09:47,220
way I hope we did you justice and

1732
01:09:51,740 --> 01:09:48,870
injected some deep and thought-provoking

1733
01:09:55,850 --> 01:09:51,750
stuff in this shallow and simple culture

1734
01:09:58,010 --> 01:09:55,860
and no politics isn't that great so I'm

1735
01:09:59,810 --> 01:09:58,020
sure you also heard my little plus price

1736
01:10:02,090 --> 01:09:59,820
preamble at the beginning that pretty

1737
01:10:04,370 --> 01:10:02,100
much said it all so I don't really know

1738
01:10:06,170 --> 01:10:04,380
why I'm bringing it up here really but

1739
01:10:07,790 --> 01:10:06,180
sign up for plus if you enjoy the show

1740
01:10:11,300 --> 01:10:07,800
and want to hear the whole second half

1741
01:10:14,150 --> 01:10:11,310
of these here conversations today with

1742
01:10:16,580 --> 01:10:14,160
Laird we got into the Kings list of

1743
01:10:18,590 --> 01:10:16,590
ancient Egypt and a slower time frames

1744
01:10:21,890 --> 01:10:18,600
effect on the physical body and life

1745
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:21,900
span the Tibetan priest class the naki

1746
01:10:27,170 --> 01:10:24,930
and the guarding of their local portal

1747
01:10:30,020 --> 01:10:27,180
so to speak Laird's thoughts on the

1748
01:10:31,700 --> 01:10:30,030
Hollow Earth theory our digital

1749
01:10:34,190 --> 01:10:31,710
development and the quickening time

1750
01:10:36,410 --> 01:10:34,200
frame and then I even asked Laird his

1751
01:10:41,510 --> 01:10:36,420
analysis of guyys if you remember the

1752
01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:41,520
Ross Ben show and we also spent a hot

1753
01:10:47,990 --> 01:10:44,400
amount of time on circumcision but it's

1754
01:10:50,990 --> 01:10:48,000
there as well as Dogon numerology and

1755
01:10:53,810 --> 01:10:51,000
fairies of druidic culture so it is a

1756
01:10:55,610 --> 01:10:53,820
serious Pandora's box a rich and

1757
01:10:57,920 --> 01:10:55,620
action-packed second hour to say the

1758
01:11:01,100 --> 01:10:57,930
least I hope you join me on the plus

1759
01:11:03,590 --> 01:11:01,110
side I think the new Colin joint

1760
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:03,600
sessions are gonna be a lot of fun I'll

1761
01:11:07,910 --> 01:11:05,850
get to talk to some of the coolest nerds

1762
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:07,920
out there and when the crazies try to

1763
01:11:12,350 --> 01:11:10,410
get at me it will be a fun shared

1764
01:11:14,630 --> 01:11:12,360
experience rather than the isolated

1765
01:11:18,020 --> 01:11:14,640
awkwardness that it has been for the

1766
01:11:20,750 --> 01:11:18,030
last few years it will be my immersion

1767
01:11:22,910 --> 01:11:20,760
therapy I'm thinking and I'm gonna try

1768
01:11:24,530 --> 01:11:22,920
to make it video because apparently some

1769
01:11:27,110 --> 01:11:24,540
people want to see me and think that

1770
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:27,120
it's important and time will tell

1771
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:29,130
but now I'm gonna have to shower and

1772
01:11:34,340 --> 01:11:32,010
dress myself on work days which is a lot

1773
01:11:38,150 --> 01:11:34,350
to ask for me now that I'm set in my

1774
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:38,160
ways but hey the things I do for you

1775
01:11:43,130 --> 01:11:41,010
right I'm just messing around I love you

1776
01:11:45,229 --> 01:11:43,140
guys and I guess that's it for me a

1777
01:11:46,490 --> 01:11:45,239
solid show to kick off the month and I

1778
01:11:48,350 --> 01:11:46,500
know you're gonna like the next to you

1779
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:48,360
because I already recorded them a little

1780
01:11:52,370 --> 01:11:50,130
bit of magic a little bit of the

1781
01:11:55,190 --> 01:11:52,380
personal journey towards life's divine

1782
01:11:57,410 --> 01:11:55,200
mysteries and your true will and it's

1783
01:11:59,510 --> 01:11:57,420
gonna be a good time for everyone so

1784
01:12:01,970 --> 01:11:59,520
keep your mind sharp your glass is full

1785
01:12:04,459 --> 01:12:01,980
and your pimp and strong it's rough out

1786
01:12:06,620 --> 01:12:04,469
there your move spiritual teacher

1787
01:12:12,409 --> 01:12:06,630
shamanic masters and counselors of the

1788
01:12:22,899 --> 01:12:17,569
woke up this morning with light in my

1789
01:12:26,340 --> 01:12:22,909
eyes and then realized it was done

1790
01:12:26,350 --> 01:12:30,740
it was a lie

1791
01:12:41,010 --> 01:12:32,850
from the sky

1792
01:12:51,610 --> 01:12:46,120
must be those strangers that come every

1793
01:12:59,729 --> 01:12:51,620
night whose saucer-shaped alight but

1794
01:13:06,900 --> 01:12:59,739
people tie the blue green footprints led

1795
01:13:06,910 --> 01:13:12,180
[Music]

1796
01:13:19,530 --> 01:13:18,370
mr. spaceman won't you please take me

1797
01:13:27,660 --> 01:13:19,540
along

1798
01:13:35,460 --> 01:13:27,670
I won't do anything wrong hey mr.

1799
01:13:35,470 --> 01:13:38,660
[Music]

1800
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:41,560
moved up this mall

1801
01:13:46,890 --> 01:13:43,010
[Music]

1802
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:46,900
feeling quite weird I had

1803
01:13:54,440 --> 01:13:52,130
in my beer my tooth pain

1804
01:13:56,900 --> 01:13:54,450
[Music]

1805
01:14:02,180 --> 01:13:56,910
open my window

1806
01:14:04,290 --> 01:14:02,190
written my name so long

1807
01:14:13,810 --> 01:14:04,300
we'll see you

1808
01:14:24,870 --> 01:14:18,550
won't you please take me along I won't

1809
01:14:30,790 --> 01:14:28,340
it's a spaceman

1810
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:30,800
told you please take me

1811
01:14:47,420 --> 01:14:42,050
[Music]

1812
01:15:00,320 --> 01:14:47,430
won't you please take me along how long

1813
01:15:03,810 --> 01:15:00,330
do anything why don't you please take me

1814
01:15:03,820 --> 01:15:07,920
won't you please

1815
01:15:07,930 --> 01:15:16,330
take me along the high